Upper drive gear shimming

NHGuy

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I replaced the input shaft and yoke on my 88 Alpha 1, 2 years ago over the winter to correct an upper seal leak. I used a new old stock shaft which apparently has been superceded, don't have the part number in front of me, but perhaps that's a factor.
Fussed with the rolling torque and got it right as far as I can tell. I couldn't handle the cost of a torque meter so I made a low value measuring device out of a scale and an arm to get my 6 to 10 inch pounds of rolling torque. Perhaps that's a factor.
I reassembled it and used the shimming tool to check my gear mesh which was too wide, took out some shims to improve it, but it was still a bit wide. I ran the boat last summer and the drive whined relative to load and speed.
Drained and checked the Mercruiser high perf gear lube this off season. It was super clean. Like new out of the container clean, no filings even.
This year I painted it with some Moeller aftermarket black that claims to be the equal of Mercruiser Phantom Black. I've used the Phantom before with good results. I also took out a shim to get it closer. While apart I inspected the gears, oiled the gears, and turned the drive by hand and it seemed a little balky. In retrospect I wish I'd done that with the lower remove to isolate the upper gears. The shim distance is still a little over the correct value, but close, within a couple thousandths.
I haven't used it much, still on my first tank of gas. Now it whines in a cyclical manner, it doesn't seen super loud, but it's there. I'd describe as quieter than an old 60's era 4WD truck. But the paint is turning gray. I fear that the graying could indicate the drive is too hot. And, by the way, the engine temp has been correct all the time. I'm uneasy to run at speed.
I'm thinking I'll check the top cap to be sure it's not come loose, reinspect the upper gears for wear, take an look at the magnet on the drain plug for shrapnel.
Is it possible that I caused the upper gears to take a shape that will always make a sound? They looked nice and straight without any wear marks or such. Does this sound I'm describing come back to the bearing pack?
Feeling kinda dumb here...could I have over compressed the bearings or miss shimmed or both? Or do they just get louder with time? My point of reference is my brothers Alpha 1 Gen II which is quiet.
 

NHGuy

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so have any of you had the paint from westmarine go gray?
 

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The only outdrive that made a slight wine for me was mine. It took a few years but in the end I found the problem and had to rebuild the drive. That said, your getting something you never use to hear, this is telling me something is wrong. If your drive didn't use to make the noise then something is wrong. Shimming is critical as well as rolling torque. You stated the drive seemed "a little balky", if that means rough then there is an issue. I would suggest asking a local shop with the tools to check out your drive shaft, or buy the tool to do it correctly. The cost of the shop may be more then the tool.
 

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I have put together a lot of car rear ends. If you don't get them right they will make noise. But, almost all aftermarket gears will make some noise even when they are setup correctly. The noise will tend to come and go at certain MPH you may have no noise and at others you might here a slight whine. If you are not making metal then I would say you are OK. The bad thing is once the gears are broke in at a certain spot and you move them they may make noise. Once you have ran them this way you may never get the noise out even if you get them set back exactly like they were stock. The only way to fix it is to change the gears and get them setup correctly.

This is a Ford 9 inch that I setup. Currently running it in my Camaro. The pattern is perfect, but still makes some noise. You really should try to shoot for a perfect gear pattern. It can be very frustrating to get sometimes.

 
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NHGuy

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They are the same gears and bearings, i just changed the shaft yoke and the seal. I took a ride this morning ran it around 2000 to 2800. It seems as if the cycling is getting fainter, and possibly the whine.
Maybe I'm being too fussy, but thought I'd throw it out there in case any one else has had the paint lighten. I'm kinda hoping that's all it is because I don't want to take it out of service in the middle of July.
When I stated "balky" it was not roughness, but it would want to slow every so often, I hope that was the dry impeller in it's housing.
 
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