Upgrade to Fuel Injection

manykids

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I recently purchased a '79 Cobalt w/ a 350 Mercruiser. Does anyone have a very rough idea what the cost would be to convert to fuel injection for reliability and dependability?
 

Bondo

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Re: Upgrade to Fuel Injection

About Twice,..... Maybe 4X,.. what you Paid for the Boat................<br /><br />With "Proper Maintance",........ <br />A Carbed motor is Just as Reliable,+ Just as Dependable as an EFI motor........
 

SwampNut

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You can buy the Holly Projection retrofit kit for about $800. It's a very good, basic, throttle body injection kit. Carbs do suck, especially when you have two of them, but that was just a bit pricey for my taste. So I just had a rebuild done on mine, $125 each.<br /><br />They say a well-tuned EFI system can save its cost in gas if you put a lot of hours on at cruise or higher speeds.
 

DHPMARINE

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Are these Holly kits marine approved ?<br /><br />DHP
 

paulie0735

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Good point DHP, many owners of modified boats are in for a shock if they ever have to make an insurance claim!
 

manykids

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Re: Upgrade to Fuel Injection

That's enough. It would be cheaper to have fun with the boat and buy a different one in a few years. Thanks.
 

Don S

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DHP, and others, YES, there are some Holley kits that are marine rated. Some were TB some MPI. I just went top their site and there are listings for the marine grade, but no information. The site is also new, (compared to a month ago) so maybe the info is just not there yet.<br />I have heard (on the web) that the Pro-Jection and the MPI system were pretty good, but have no evidence first hand.<br /><br />Go to http://www.holley.com/categories.asp?division=Holley and scroll down to fuel injection to find the links (for the little they show now).
 

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Re: Upgrade to Fuel Injection

An arguement I've heard here many times is.... a carb doens't die and leave you stranded like a fuel injector can, or the computer, etc.
 

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try affordable fuel injection.com.. they have a marine fuel injection for a 5.7 for about $1700 new, and marine grade, and warrantyed. you can expect a 20% increase in torque and hp, and better fuel economy... they carb boys may argue, but this is the future, in 4 yrs, you will not be able to buy a carb boat motor.... good luck!!!
 

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I've run Holley's aftermarket EFI systems on many hotrods and race cars I've built (both MPI and TBI conversions). They've always been bulletproof, but I have found they DO usually take a certain amount of tuning with your laptop to get them initially dialed in.<br /><br />And yes, their marine products are specifically rated for marine use.<br /><br />I like 'em in cars. But have never tried one on a boat.
 

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Originally posted by craze1cars:<br />[QB] .... but I have found they DO usually take a certain amount of tuning with your laptop to get them initially dialed in./QB]
c1c, what exactly is it that you do with a laptop while tuning a Holley FI system?<br /><br />I can't picture it. Are you out running around in the vehicle while you are doing it? I know on Marine that you don't have the advantage of an O2 sensor that would make fine adjustments.
 

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Boomyal....yes, you're basically driving around and making test runs with the laptop on and recording data from the entire system in all different operating conditions. On my racecars, my laptop is strapped to the passenger-side floor and recording EVERY run. That way I can fine-tune for each run as temp and humidity changes during the day to get peak power. But on a typical hotrod/street car setup (and pleasureboats, I'm sure), you just program it initially and basically unplug the computer forever (or until you need to troubleshoot a problem). <br /><br />Of course, typing and driving isn't necessarily smart or necessary...it just stores the data from a run, then you can reprogram while sitting still, then run again and compare the charts to see what's gotten better or worse. You use the software the comes with the kits to remap fuel curves, etc. I found the attached article that may give you a little snapshot of how it works.<br /><br /> http://chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/90778/ <br /><br />As for 02 sensors, they're not totally necessary, but I've always bought their kits that have O2 sensor upgrades for my installations. It does give the computer more accurate combustion data and more fine-tunability. Again, I have no experience with their marine applications at all, but maybe they sell an O2 sensor upgrade kit for boats also? Best to call their tech support to ask how that might work.<br /><br />Surely somebody here has put a Holley 950 Commander marine EFI setup on their 5.7 Merc? Everyone's always hotrodding those. I'm surprised nobody else has piped in with their experience with the kit.<br /><br />After you learn the software, EFI is FAR, FAR more tunable than any carb. It's much faster than rejetting, etc, and you don't have to get dirty or smell like gas to do it...just type and click.
 

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Re: Upgrade to Fuel Injection

a carb doens't die and leave you stranded like a fuel injector can, or the computer, etc.
I had a jet unscrew itself and fall out. Likely to happen? No, just like it's unlikely for a modern EFI computer to die.
 

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I bet it still ran with the jet out and got you back to the dock, but it won't run with a dead computer. If I boated on a lake in AZ I wouldn't care too much about the computer dying, but when I am 30 miles out on the ocean I care.
 

SwampNut

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It idled and just above, no more.<br /><br />But hey, that's what a second engine is for!
 

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br /> It idled and just above, no more.
Well,...........<br /><br />That's a Whole Lot Better than Paddling.................
 

AdamB

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If you go with the affordable fuel injection system, get the waterproof corvette ECM. It is going to be installed in a boat after all. I havne't installed mine yet, but looks straight forward. I decided to order mine after having intermintent problems with my thunderbolt carbed system not starting sometimes. Had to get towed off the ocean once, not fun. But, since I figured out finally it was a faulty $20 ignition switch, I had too much fun just using it to install the fuel injection system. I plan on installing as soon as it warms up a little.
 

AdamB

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Oh, also, since I do boat in salt water occasionally, and my intake didn't come brass lined, I sent the intake manifold out to be powder coated inside and out. The company said the powder would resist the salt water. We'll see...was cheaper than installing a FWC system.
 
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