Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

AguaSki

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I consider myself an intermediate slalom skier. I can get up with little effort, zip across the wake with ease, and I rarely fall until I am ready to. Despite my abilities, I have never skied a buoy course, and I have very little understanding of how competitive slalom skiing works. That said, how is the best way to learn about competitive skiing? When I read the magazines I see all kinds of terminology that I don't understand, and when I watch a video I can't tell the difference between a good run and a bad run. I just don't get it, but I would like to learn. Any thoughts on a good place to learn about competitive slalom skiing and the associated terminology? I think I have maxed out my slalom ability, and now an understanding of how the sport works would keep me challenged.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

when i was in high school, we stored our boat at a marina, that had a competion slalom course. they also sponsored one of my neighbors, in the nationals. i learned a lot about skiing, which has help me teach 100's of kids to ski over the last 40 years. dang it skiing was all she was willing to teach me. she was sure cute in that little bikini.
 

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Re: Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

I'm not sure how old you are, but check out if there are any water ski clubs in your area. Go hang out there, or offer to volunteer during an event. The lake we used to spend summers at had a very active skiing community and it's own little club. They ran a pseudo competitive, everyone welcome to enter tournament every summer. It was the first exposure to real slalom skiing for many people, myself included. All done in a very relaxed way... some kids, a few adults, lots of teens involved. Many people didn't make a complete pass at their starting speed, so no one was dying of embarassment. It was very cool to see some of the coaches making shortline passes look easy.

In my experience, compared to free/recreational skiing, it's a whole different ball of wax when you need to get around those balls. It's amazing how fast you can go from being way ahead, to scrambling to catch up. Oh, and if you do give slalom a try, you will have some memorable wipe outs (assuming you are trying hard).
 

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You might also look for a ski school fairly close to you and see if you can arrange a day or half day lesson. I went when younger it and was great. You would learn all about skiing the slalom course, how it's scored, and would get a professional pull through one until your arms are about to fall off.

The basics of scoring are how many buoys you make it around, with half points for getting back into the wake. You have to also go through the starting gates and ending gates. Also, speed and rope length.

For example, 5.5 at 32 and 15 off (I might have the order wrong -- its been a while since I competed) means you got around buoy 6, but missed the exit gates (thats the .5 -- there are 6 total buoys) at a speed of 32 MPH and with 15 feet off the 75 foot rope.

The challenge is each successful pass you go up in MPH in increments of 2 MPH until you reach 36 MPH. Once you successfully run all 6 buoys at 36 MPH, they shorten the rope and you start over at a slower speed.

Anyone who can run the course at 22 off, any speed, deserves a Budweiser in my book!
 

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Re: Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

I'm not sure how old you are, but ...

Unfortunately I am 34 years old. My 35th birthday is in 3 weeks, but I am going to stay 34 for as long as I can. I am not too old, but I am not a spring chicken either, and I need to realize my limitations. I am interested in understanding the sport better, and I hope to pass along my new found knowledge to my 2 kids that are also learning to ski.
 

AguaSki

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The basics of scoring are how many buoys you make it around, with half points for getting back into the wake. You have to also go through the starting gates and ending gates. Also, speed and rope length.

For example, 5.5 at 32 and 15 off (I might have the order wrong -- its been a while since I competed) means you got around buoy 6, but missed the exit gates (thats the .5 -- there are 6 total buoys) at a speed of 32 MPH and with 15 feet off the 75 foot rope.

The challenge is each successful pass you go up in MPH in increments of 2 MPH until you reach 36 MPH. Once you successfully run all 6 buoys at 36 MPH, they shorten the rope and you start over at a slower speed.

This is perfect and what I was looking for when I posted my question. I have heard others repeat a slalom score, but it means nothing without an explanation. I now know what the score means.

It sounds like I need to find a buoy course (that will also be a challenge) and see what I am capable of. All I do right now is zip across the wake at varying speeds. 36 MPH will be a lot faster than I am used to, but I might be able to hang on at 32 MPH.
 

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Re: Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

Just as an addendum to slickwilly's explanation, every competition I've watch the boat speed was actually constant for a particular class. For example Pro Men run at 36mph...Pro Women at 34.... Further examples...INT League(an amateur organization) has an Advanced class that runs at 34mph and a Wide Ski Class that runs at 30.

For some great unedited tournament footage, check out the the recordings from this years Masters tournament....look in the Archive menu at the following site...

http://www.masterslive.net/
 

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In the tournaments I used to run, it was either a 75 or 60' rope (you could choose to run a 60) up to a full pass at 36... then the rope would get shorter (which I never needed to worry about :) ), speed stayed at 36 for men. (60' is "15 off"). In order for the score to count, you need to make a complete pass of 6 balls, and through both gates (e.g. "6 at 32")... then on the next run you might get "2 1/2 at 34". If you started at 34 and only made 2 1/2 balls, it wouldn't count.

As for finding a course, often people who put them out don't mind if someone else uses them, but make sure to find out whose it is, and ask first. Tell them you're a complete novice, but would love to try their course and you'll fix any buoy's that come loose, (and mean it). Sometimes the handle will snag a ball after a wipeout and move it, so they need to be put back. Me and my BIL talked about putting our own course in a few times, but we've done it enough to know that it's a PITA to put a course in, and especially maintain it if you only get there every few weeks.

I don't know who drives for you, but driving slalom is not the same as driving for recreational skiing. The driver needs to be good. They need to be aimed straight at the course long enough in advance to give you time to set up for the entrance gate, and they need to get to the right speed and work the throttle to keep it there once you start pulling. Many recreational boats are not torquey enough to keep the speed from dropping. I think now days, real competition boats have a "perfect pass" system that controls the speed of the boat. In the days when I skied, it was common for a run to be "busted" because the boat speed was not right. It is particularly hard for a driver to maintain speed with a heavyish skier starting at slower speeds. Even competition boats struggled. I have a 16' outboard ski boat with a 150 hp merc and it still takes lots of throttle and steering input to give a skier a decent slalom run. Medium sized boats with smaller outboards will be less likely to be hold true speed. It's a big difference skiing behind my boat and a true competition boat.

Also, the driver needs to be able to turn around after exiting the course without making rollers that will feed back into the course. This means a run straight out, starting to turn one way, and then reversing the turn and making a nearly complete circle back into your own wake and then turning back down the original line through the course. On some courses I've used, they're put in bays as close to shore as feasible to keep them sheltered from wind. This can make the turning tight. (way different than recreational skiing). Come up with a hand signal that means "give me a rest" so the driver knows if you want to just hang behind the boat for a minute before giving you the next pass. Then they can extend the outbound run before doing the turn. Overall, the driver is usually too busy to see anything the skier is doing.

If you do give it a try sometime, ignore the gates at first. Start way outside, near the first ball. Start 2 mph slower than you think you need to. Skiing into a slight breeze makes it much easier. Latching onto someone and having them pull you for a few passes would definitely be the way to start.

Good luck!
 

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I competed in novice twice and they let us choose the boat speed. The next competetor could go 1 MPH faster and pass the same amount of buoys and get ahead. That's how I got my 1 and only waterski trophy:D

You're definately not too old! Get out there and do it!:cool:
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Understanding Competitive Slalom Skiing

AguaSki, 35 you are just old enough to know you skied 3 day ago. when everything hurts, after the first day of skiing. i'll be 60 in october, it hasn't kept me off skis, just not as aggressively, as in the past.
 
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