Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

MillerSVT

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I am rebuilding the carbs on my dad's outboard to try and get it to run a bit better this season! I had the carbs off and thought I would check out the fuel pump. I decided against this as I didn't want to have to replace more gaskets than I need to and would ask the pro's before I moved on.

When I pumped the ball I could get fuel out of both fuel lines that lead to the carbs.

I am not sure if I should be able to do this. I would think that the pump would be more like a sealed system. So my question is this, should the pump allow fuel to pass through it under pressure?



Also, any good links to procedures for tuning the carbs?
 
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Gomer50

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

When pumping the bulb you are actually feeding the carbs which is correct.If and when you are running the motor in the drink and she seems to suffer from not enough fuel then the possibility could be a bad diaphram in the fuel pump.When you pump up the bulb the bulb should stay hard.If you squeeze it hard enough you could see fuel dripping from the carbs.For the extra couple of bucks why not rebuild the fuel pump as well?
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Hello:

I thought you should know that the 850 (85hp) Merc was discontinued in 1977. If yours is an 82, then it's most likely an 80hp. In 79 Mercury stopped putting a "0" at the end of the HP rating for the model #, so if it is an "850", then it;s a 77 or older.

Craig
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

That explains why its always hard to find parts. :facepalm:

I gave up looking by year and just use the serial number.

Well the only problem we've ever had with fuel delivery is after trying to troll with this motor for a while we sometimes have to prime the bulb again. But as with anything this old with as many discontinued parts as it has, I would much rather not risk breaking something if it can be avoided!
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

One other quick questions, what should the cylinder compression be while cranking? I plan on checking it this weekend.
 

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I was always told above 100psi and within 10% between cylinders
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Well, I did a compression check.
top cyl-60
2nd cyl-60
3rd cyl-45
couldn't get adapter to 4th.

Could the compression tester be faulty? These are all very low. What could the problem be?
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Well, I did a compression check.
top cyl-60
2nd cyl-60
3rd cyl-45
couldn't get adapter to 4th.

Could the compression tester be faulty? These are all very low. What could the problem be?

If these readings are true then that is also why you have a fuel problem at low speed, there is not enough "pulse" in the crankcase to drive the fuel pump diaphragm. Squirt oil in the cyl through the spark plug hole and try the compression test again. If it comes up considerably then you need new rings. If it stays the same your gauge is lying.
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Hmm, will the oil really help if the engine is vertical, i mean it will spread over the entire ring?

Secondly, could it be the reed valves leaking at all? What would be a good way to check that pressure isn't leaking backwards? Simple as putting my hand over the intake?

I really, really, reallllllyyy hope it's not rings. We've owned the motor for years and really don't use it all that often, but that can be just as bad with older things.

I will try the oil in the cylinder trick next time I'm home.
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Hmm, will the oil really help if the engine is vertical, i mean it will spread over the entire ring?
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Yup, sure will, dont forget the pressure above the rings will force the oil to anywhere the compression is leaking. I have an oil can with 2 stroke oil in it just for this purpose, couple of squirts per cyl is all you need.
With regard to your reeds it is possible but unlikely that both sets of reed blocks have 2 broken reeds, one for each cyl they feed. The reeds would not affect your compression readings.
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Another thing I was wondering is my method of testing

There were not carbs on at the time so I didn't worry about it starting.
I took out all the plugs.
Hooked up compression tester.
Cranked motor using electric starter, allowing it to crank 3-4 times.
Throttle was in neutral.

Is there anything wrong with my method?
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Your test method is correct. You do not need to remove the carbs, however, doing so does not affect the compression test.
 

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I doub't the motor will run with that compression. I recommend a retest with a gauge of know accuracy. Carbs may be installed or not. As long as crankcase cover is installed you will get a good reading.
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Motor has ran the past few years. It has an obvious decrease in power over the years but runs none the less.

The carbs are off because I'm waiting on the rebuild kits to show up.:)

I'm going to purchase a tester rather than use autozone's free rental, and try the 2 cycle oil trick and see if it affects the reading at all.
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

well I got the boat running and she runs great except one thing, I can't get it to idle. I have to use the high idle arm to keep her running. Any thoughts?
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

What did you find out about the compression readings?.
 

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Never found time to re test them, but it fly's across the lake as good as it ever has and lost all the hesitation it had launching. Still Missing a little of the launching ability, but I have a feeling it has something to do with the idle problem.

I also have the issue of the gas doesn't really advance throughout the range of the lever. It's much more like the last 3/4 of the range doe it throttle up. I wanted to adjust the throttle cable but noticed that many of the linkages are interconnected and did not want to disrupt the entirety of the throttle linkages.

Is there a procedure for adjusting these?
 

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

Have you done the "Link and sync" proceedure ?
This is the link and sync procedure, courtesy of Clams Cannino.


Manual specs are different for each but this is close enough to get them all REAL close. This assumes nothing is broken or "wrong" with it. This also assumes that the timing pointer is properly adjusted (if adjustable) to accurately read TDC of the #1 piston.

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.
 
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MillerSVT

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Re: Tuning up an 82 Mercury 850 85hp outboard

I really like this write up! Thank you!!! I definitely need this
 

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Anyone know the exact specs for the timing? As in the idle spec?

EDIT: Found them on the carb cover. hahahaha:facepalm:
 
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