Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

zeke67

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I dragged this motor home from our summer cabin about 10 years ago because it wouldn't run. It had been there as far back as I can remember as a little kid (I'm 42). The only work I'm aware of in that time frame was a carb kit and lower unit bearings in the late '80s (maybe 1987). My dad recalls that his parents bought this new. Needless to say, I'm sort of committed for nostalgia reasons.

I was expecting to need an ignition tune up because the last time it did run, it had a high speed miss that was progressively getting worse. Also I was expecting to need a lower unit seal kit as it would make a "milkshake" of the oil. Sure enough, it wouldn't start.

Paint on the head shows signs of overheating. That was do to me, as a kid, back in the mid eighties, but it ran after cooling down and fixing the impeller.

I did a compression check. Getting 90-95 on the top and 95-100 on the bottom (did the test twice). This seems low, but from what I've learned here, should be acceptable.

Inspecting the coils. One original, one has been replaced.

Lower unit definitely needs seals. The pinion bearing on the drive shaft needs to be replaced. Other two bearings look good but have only been inspected briefly.

With tips and information from this site, I tried for two days to coax the flywheel off. I used the correct harmonic balancer style puller. Lots of PB Blaster, also ATF. Let it soak, gentle tapping. Left it under tension to soak. Let it soak with no tension. Used both a breaker bar and also hit the puller with an impact wrench. On to measures I don't like. Whacks on the side of the flywheel using a block of wood (maybe a dozen). Whacks on top of the flywheel using a block of wood (a dozen plus). Resorted to gentle heating of the flywheel, not so much I couldn't touch the outer edge. I ended up breaking the flywheel!

The steel center hub is still firmly on the crank. I will use a bearing separator, and more aggressive heating on the hub while keeping the seal cool with a wet rag.

While soaking and thinking, I pulled apart the carb. Disassembled and had it in the dip tank for two hours followed by blasting out passages with a can of spray. Carb had no trash in the bowl. I can not get the main jet or the seat out.

Questions:
Do I have enough compression to run? I wasn't afraid of investing in coils, points, condensers and plugs to find out. But now I am another $50 to $70 into a new flywheel before doing the tune up so getting nervous that I'm building a parts motor rather than a runner.

Any tips on the flywheel hub?
What year flywheels interchange, 55-58?

Test and verify the one newer coil? Everything I read here suggests it will be okay.

Procedurally, I'm thinking get the flywheel and ignition parts and put the carb back together (gaskets look good), and only after it's running invest in a carb kit. Does that make sense?

The drive shaft bearing has a Timken number on it, I trust I can find a replacement, yes?

Experts, what am I missing?
 

lindy46

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

That's a 1956 30hp. Most parts are available, some here on Iboats. How did you check compression? By hand-pulling or using the electric start? If by hand-pulling, those numbers are ok. You may want to soak the cylinders in Seafoam to loosen up crud and improve the numbers. I'd put all new components under the flywheel - keep the "good" coil as a spare. Did you put the carb back on? How was the float? If you get the ignition replaced and verify spark, give her a try. If she won't run very good, you can always go back in and install a carb kit. Look for a used flywheel. I just sold a 30hp Lark without a lower unit for parts - for $60. So check Ebay or place a free want-ad on AOMCI.org.
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

The compression sounds ok and may improve once the motor is up and running. Check ebay or aomci.org for a replacement flywheel. I'm not sure hot to get the bearing off aside from cussing and using the methods you've described. I suppose you could cut it of if worse came to worse. Here are some handy links to help you get it up and running again. You've got a neat old motor that is well worth the effort even if it does cost a couple hundred bucks to get it running right. I would just go ahead and rebuild/replace all of the ignition components and start fresh. It's an cheap, easy, DIY job that will save you a ton of guessing and troubleshooting. You can get any routine parts like carb kits, tune up kits, etc... right here at iboats.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/24/index.cfm

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/v...ntage-evinrude-johnson/376750/37675000001.htm

http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...on 3 HP 1952-1967 Ignition System Tune-up.htm

http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...hnson 5.5 HP 1954-1964 Carburetor Tune-UP.htm
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

I would personally invest in a parts motor. Go to a local aomci meet, talk to the members, maybe even join. They are great people. you could get a parts motor for the amount you listed for the flywheel alone.

Someone in our family didnt use Loctite on the crank taper did they!?
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

I miss typed 57 instead of 56. Can I edit that, or do I need a mod to help?

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Compression check by hand, this doesn't have electric start. Yes, I'd like to see more but I take it from the enthusiastic responses that this is enough to invest in my project.

I will go ahead and replace both coils, condensers, points and plugs. I'll test the "good" one I have and if it tests okay I'll keep it for a spare. I'll get the parts here.

The carb float looked really good. I'll test it to ensure it floats. I'll also verify the needle/seat can hold about 3 psi. Otherwise the cleaned carb will go back on so I can get it running. Carb kit later if it won't run well.

My thoughts on buying just a flywheel is that it would get me going quicker. I'm in Houston. I didn't see any AOMCI meets in my area. I did find a local shop near downtown that claims to specialize in old parts. Plus, the stuff on ebay. Is this a 56-only part for Johnson and Evinrude, or will adjacent years also work (even though the HP is different)?

I bought the bearing puller today. Still need torch gas. My family aren't DIYers, and we certainly didn't have the tools at the lake to do much more than plugs and gear lube. So I can't blame the family on this one. But it's a really good question.

Those are good links, I checked them all out. Thanks for the enthusiasm on getting this old girl running.
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Considering you are pulling it over manually those numbers are great.

Has the motor been converted to run on 12 volts or are you running it on a 6 volt system?

Place a wanted ad at aomci.org in the webvertize, there are many members near you that should be able to help out.
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

POP! I got the flywheel hub off with just the bearing separator type puller. Honestly, I forgot to put the crank nut on. Immediately after the loud snap the puller jumped about a foot into the air. With the breaker bar still on the puller, I did a controlled crash landing to the floor. Literally LOL.

This doesn't have an electric starter on it, never did.

I'll get looking for a flywheel.
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

whew! glad you got it off. live and learn with the flywheel nut :) Thankfully, the worse is over. Putting the flywheel back on is a lot easier :) Keep us posted. Holler if you get stuck.
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Sorry all. It's been a while. Update:

Carb is still waiting to go back together. We had friends dodging the hurricane staying with us, and I didn't find time to test the float before putting it together.

Last week I started looking for a fly wheel. I found a local place that have one. It felt pretty good, the guy said yes before even looking it up. He looked it up to give the price. $100. I like to buy local but I seem them on ebay for $50 and can probably get a parts motor for $100.

Called the business I bought a '76 25HP from earlier this year. Their answer was "probably have something around here". He's got a 1963 33HP he can sell for parts, the whole motor for slightly more than the first guy wants for just the flywheel. He's also got another candidate for just a flywheel. I've got to look up part numbers and verify that the 33HP big twin flywheel will fit the '56 30 horse as he doesn't have a way to look that up.

We chatted for 30 minutes and he talked me through where to look for trouble spots, especially on sealing the lower unit. Felt pretty good about that, spending time without a sale pending. He'll also work with me on the parts motor as I really don't want to ship the whole thing here if I only need a few pieces. Made it sound like he'd throw it in the back and pull of what I needed and send it.

Comments?
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

sounds like you've got some good leads. Here are some links to various parts catalogs that may be of some use to you. However, I don't think they made a 33 hp in '63 so it may actually be a 28 or 40 hp, or the year may be something other than a '63. I had a '66 33 hp that was great.

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/v...ntage-evinrude-johnson/376750/37675000001.htm ('56 30 hp parts catalog)
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Thanks.

I guess he said 63'ish, but was certain on the 33 HP. He has a "feel" for interchange, where I'm still working off of part numbers. new to outboards, but I've got that "feel" on Small Block Chevys from my car addiction.

He gave me model numbers, i need to look them up. I trust i can use the same link to plug in the model numbers, come up with the right manuals, and then look up individual parts on the drawings? I'll be looking at flywheels for sure, but the prop shaft and drive shaft aren't perfect and he also said to look at gear teeth for rust so I'll look at those too.
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

theres lots of interchange.for example my 33hp 1970 has a 56 30hp housing ,impeller etc.
 

kfa4303

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

+1. Yet another reason these old motors are so awesome....
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Update: Looks like me two leads on parts motors are not going work. One is a 65 HP Johnson and the other is a 65 33 HP Evinrude. I used the links previously provided to look them up. The flywheel is not the one I need.
 

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Did you post a wanted ad in the webvertize at aomci.org???? There should be guys local to you that can help. I could send you one but the shipping would be killer as Im in Canada.
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Not yet, but now in contact with an AOMCI person. I found one locally, but they want $100. Most of what I've read here tells me that's too much or buy a whole parts motor.
 

kfa4303

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

Geez, that's a lot :/ You probably could find a parts motor for that, if you don't mind tacking one down. It would be well worth the effort in the long run. They're worth their weight in gold when you need those random little nuts and bolts that can go missing on your main motor. Have you looked on ebay.com for flywheels? It may be worth a shot.
 

zeke67

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Re: Trying to get my '57 Johnson 30 HP RD18C running

I have, they run $50-75. Right now trying to throw some business at a couple of guys that have treated me right.
 
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