Troubleshooting Tachometer

jskise3

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How do I troubleshoot the tach not working on a 85 Johnson 150GT? Here is where I'm at... Read the voltage on battery at 12.5 then let boat run and it went to 13.5... Pulled hot terminal off battery while running for a few seconds to see if boat died n it didn't... Assume rectifier/regulator is good. Brand new tach installed that gets power n lights up just no signal... Where do I begin to troubleshoot? I don't know a lot but I listen well haha... Thanks in advance.. Once I get this solved only one more problem m boat is perfectly functional again... Best site I've ever stumbled upon!
 

Will Bark

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

If you ran that engine with it unhooked from the battery there is a good chance you fried the rectifier; best to check its output again. Good luck
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

The engine's ignition system is self contained, meaning that the ignition would have ignition/spark with the main harness disconnected if you cranked the engine over with a pull rope. Disconnecting the battery while the engine is running does nothing except endanger the charging system's rectifier.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Normally the Gray wire leading from the tachometer is attached at the terminal strip to another Gray wire which leads from the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier...... remove the gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

Mr. Reeves I had found your post last night on a another thread and I tried that this morning... Very simple, thank you for the reply, however still no life in the tach... It jumps to zero n lights up (brand new) when I turn the key but does not work... Should I run a test wire on top of the boat from the tach to the grey terminal to see if the wire is bad? Also can anyone give me a part number for the rectifier and a stator? Sorry I'm so much trouble but I'm eager to learn... A man needs to know how to work his stuff
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

I ran a test wire from gray on terminal to sender in tach and got nothing.... I switched it to yellow/gray on terminal and it wanted to spark n get hot but still got nothing when I started the boat... The tach is new, the sender wire is new.... Does that make it the rectifier?
 

175se

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

assuming its a 35amp system, stator=583668---rectif=395204, as both items can be pricey you should listen to mr reeves. with dva meter should get 11 + or-1 volt on grey lead.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

The "gray" wire leading from the tachometer to the enginre's terminal strip, disconnected at both ends, can be checked for continuity with a ohm meter by using a long extension wire attached to the ohm meter.

If the continuity checks out, doing the test as I outlined it would tell you if the new tach is bad OR the regulator/rectifier is bad.

However..... attaching the "gray" wire to the "Yellow/Gray" wire as per my test procedure SHOULD NOT have resulted in sparking or getting hot! There should be no voltage to that Yellow/Gray wire nor to the Gray wire. Use a volt meter to find out which wire has the voltage going to it as something is vastly wrong there.
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

I tested and no voltage to gray or yellow/gray
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

No. Shouldn't be, the tach has a place for ground, ignition, signal sync, and the light... I only had it the signal synce and straight to the grey wires on terminal strip
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

Does the melted black plastic mean something is burnt up?
 

jskise3

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Re: Troubleshooting Tachometer

The melted black has been there since last year when I first started to rebuild it
 
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