Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

[vlom]

Dear All. Just have bought a used boat Trophy pro 2002 (2004 year built). Have put it on the water and it deems that the boat is too heavy, namely:
The stern draft with empty fuel tank and only 2 persons (about 200 kg) is such that the self-drainage holes below the engine are in the water. Also the towing hook is in the water too. Please see the attached pictures.
Will anybody explain is it correct or not. If it is incorrect please let me know the cause and/or the way of solution?

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

as long as the deck stays dry ur fine..

those aren't towing hooks, they are trailering tie down points

 

[NYBo]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Welcome to iboats!:welcome:

I have to disagree with Smoke. That is NOT normal. The usual suspect is waterlogged flotation foam.

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Pretty common... not a light motor.... tilted up out of the water...plus has a kicker on it..... my v20 doesn't have a speck of foam in it and has a smaller lighter engine and if two good sized people go to a back corner water comes in on the deck even without a kicker...

Notice the worn bottom paint that reaches above the water line... not a new issue to this boat


Notice that the swim platform is above the water..... she ain't THAT low


You can look into moving batteries forward as far as possible if you want it a little higher

 

[NYBo]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

I would agree except that the entire splashwell is under water.

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

I would agree except that the entire splashwell is under water.

No it isn't.....That's not the splashwell... It's a reflection of the topside and the kicker bracket

 

[vlom]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Please take into account that the boat shuld carry 8 person + 300 kg of fuel at least. Pictures were made with 2 persons and emty fuel tank.
Deems that we will be closer to "smoke on the water" then to "fire in the sky":joyous:

 

[dingbat]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Please take into account that the boat shuld carry 8 person + 300 kg of fuel at least. Pictures were made with 2 persons and emty fuel tank.
Deems that we will be closer to "smoke on the water" then to "fire in the sky":joyous:

I suggest you re-read your capacity plaque looking for the "or" statement.

It Doesn't matter how much fuel or how many people the boat is said to hold, the total weight can't exceed X pounds.

I'm willing to bet by the time you get all your equipment, gear and fuel on board, your lucky to get three passengers before your over weight

While I can't download the picture, I'm guessing your cockpit drains are underwater. While the normal industry practice is to put the drains above water, several manufactures , including Trophy, do the the drains under water. Water in the back of the boat is then the norm.drains should be above

 

[greenbush future]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Is there some type of black sealant all gooped around the tow hook? It looked like there was in the picture, as if someone made an attempt to seal it or stop them from leaking? A few better shots facing the transom so we can see the entire back of the boat would sure help. Hard to tell from the pictures offered about what if any problems ya might have.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

too much weight in the stern: a 4 stroke (it was made for a 2 stroke) and a big OB kicker. Fuel may level it some if the tank is amidships.

self bailing decks should not have the scuppers below the water while at rest. many will ship some water if two people stand in the corner, sometimes just one, but it should be a negligable amount. A well-made boat handles it this way.

However I have heard about a lot of poorly made boats where the manufacturer pushes the tolerance of the levels too much and they are under water or even the back deck stays flooded. This isn't from age, extra weight, etc. but from bad design and is unacceptible in my view. A boat should be made so it can be moored, not only stored on a trailer, and seawater in scuppers, much less on deck, is a non-starter.

It is unlikely that a quality center console 10 years old will have waterlogged foam. Foam is not a sponge but is supposed to be closed cell, and it should take a long exposure to flooding or trapped water to get soaked; water passing over it to drain in normal use is not a problem.

But who makes the Trophy?

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Bayliner

 

[dingbat]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Now that I can see the pictures, I agree with Home Cookin on the motor section. That boat would have come OEM with a 2 stroke. It might be the angle of the picture put it sure looks like a 20" shaft motor. Should be a 25" on that boat.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

If that's a short-shafted motor for that boat, maybe the previous owner put lead ballast back there so the motor would be in the water!

But seriously--

Vlom did you test drive this boat? did it get on a plane?

When the motor is down, the cavitation plate (flat plate just above the prop) should line up about with the bottom of the hull.

If it's the wrong motor, at least it has good value and you can sell it, and repower with one of proper size. And get rid of the kicker (sell them both as a package).

What is the max HP on the plate? if it's 150, research the weight difference between the 2 and 4 stroke--but I think it's the kicker plus poor design that's causing the issue. Given the age and type of boat I would bet that it came with a 2 stroke.

Despite what I said earlier about being waterlogged a bit, if the boat sits too low, it could accululate enough water in the bilge over time to settle in there. Perhaps the previous owner didn't maintain the pump correctly and it held water. I trust you have that gear working correctly?

 

[briangcc]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

When I repowered my Bayliner, I went from a 2 stroke POS Force to a 4 stroke Honda. When I did that, my stern looked like the OP's as it now had about 200lbs extra sitting on the back. The splash well drains were now in the water. My boat was only 1 year old, sat covered, and was well taken care of so water logged foam didn't enter into the equation.

Based off the OP's photos, I'd say that if the boat was originally designed for a 2 stroke and there's now a large 4 stroke sitting on the back that, to me, it looks normal due to the added weight. I'd wager if a modern 2 stroke were swapped on, the stern would rise considerably, popping those splash well drains out of the water.

 

[bobdec]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Trophy, s/b a pretty good handling entry level, fair weather off shore boat. Have not heard of any running (or low stern) design problems with them. Owners seem to really like them. The 2002 model came with options for 125 to 175 HP Merc Opti's the 125 was standard, 150 was the go to setup. Boat is 100% compost no wood and I don't think any foam. It does have a splash well that is lower than the deck with it's own scuppers that are above the water line. The splash well is little lower to water line than what I would like, but have not heard of any problems. Not sure how or at where the main deck scuppers exit, think it's hoses at waterline or below. The 85 gal fuel tank is set from the splash-well to just behind the cockpit and the two 18 gal fish-wells are forward near the seats. And the walk around cabin adds weight up forward. That boat should take on another 750 lbs of fuel/ice/water/gear w/o any problems. My guess is after loading it up hopefully the stern will come up. I do see that short shaft Yami, wonder if it was a re-power, almost all offshore hulls need the long shaft for proper height and bite. As far as conditions the OP posted. The Yami is about 475 lbs (50-75) more than a 150 Opti and the kicker (guessing 15-25 HP) adds 120-150 Lbs, plus the OP said 2 people back there at 200 Kg = 440 Lbs . IMO close to 1000 lbs at the stern of a 21' will dip a bit.. but the boat is designed to take some snotty conditions, backing down on a fish with two people back there may get tricky..

 

[Scott Danforth]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Anyone else notice the oil slick and the oil on the lower unit?

 

[NYBo]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

No it isn't.....That's not the splashwell... It's a reflection of the topside and the kicker bracket

:facepalm: Well, so it is.:redface:

 

[NYBo]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Bayliner

Not this one. Trophy became a separate brand in 2002.

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Not this one. Trophy became a separate brand in 2002.

Hmmmm..... Still Brunswick?

 

[dingbat]

Re: Trophy pro 2002 Deems a heavy boat

Hmmmm..... Still Brunswick?

Does it matter? ...lol
It's still a "budget" boat