Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

travism

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This site seems to be the best source of information regarding trim tabs. My 24' express cruiser has trim tabs that I'm still getting used to. When starting out from a stop or idle speed, should I have the tabs all the way down? Someone told me having them 45 degrees down has the same effect and causes less drag, but I would like more opinions.<br /><br />Also, I start to raise the tabs as soon as the bow starts to come down on plane and then adjust outdrive trim after that. Is this the correct procedure? Or should outdrive trim come first? I've tried playing with the simulator on Bennett's site but without having the feel of the boat, the simulator can only simulate so much.<br /><br />Thanks for your help with my questions.
 

QC

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

I use all different combinations, but the basic thoughts you have are pretty good. I would experiment for getting the boat on plane. Use full tab and see how that feels and then try different settings. I base how agrressive I am with my tabs on the weight in the boat. When I am alone I don't use any tab for planing. <br /><br />I use slight adjustments for top speed i.e. I trim out with the drive as far as I can and then use the tabs for small adjustments to correct any porpoising or any slight listing . I have found that I can trim my drive out further with a little poisitive tab than I can with the tabs all the way up.<br /><br />There are no real hard and fast rules. On my last boat, if I was running at say 35 mph and saw some boat wakes or simalar ahead I would often apply very agressive bow down tabs to kinda "force" the bow through a little smoother. That setting can be a little strange as the bow steers and I needed to correct for course changes as the bow got "grabbed" by the wakes etc., but noticibaly smoother that way. If I was ricky racing around (alone) in that same situation I might go full up on the tabs and accelerate and try to fly over the wakes, so to speak. Just depended on my mood and who was in the boat with me.<br /><br />One of my favorite settings with both boats is very low speed planing with the tabs all (or most) the way down. I have found that playing with the trim doesn't make a lot of difference in this situation. Very smooth and I can do some great things with the kids on the tube. I can whip them around because I am on plane, but it is not very fast, so I can control how much I scare them if that is what they want . . .<br /><br />Just keep messing around is the best advice I can give you. I have had them for over ten years and I still find different comnbinations that work better for me in a unique situation.
 

TwoBallScrewBall

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

With 1 or 2 people on my boat I don't need them. <br /><br />With 3 or 4 I do, 4 or 5 definitely. What I do is this.<br /><br />When I stop, with a heavier load, before I shut down I drop the tabs all the way. The tabs help at slow speeds to stop wandering anyway. <br /><br />When I'm taking off, I'll drop the engine to the lower 1/4 mark on the trim meter. Then WOT. As the boat starts to come down I'll trim the engine up to where it sits at cruise, then throttle back to cruise RPM, then raise the tabs all the way, trimming left to right as needed as I'm raising them. Whole procedure takes about 15-20 seconds, sounds harder than it really is. <br /><br />Good Luck!
 

Tabman

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

travism,<br /><br />The guys who posted answers are right on target.<br /><br />The key to getting the best out of Trim Tabs is experimenting with them since all boats are different. Use them in short bursts and let the boat settle down between corrections. Below you will find a little Trim Tabs 101 that should help you get started.<br /><br />Let me know if you have any questions after you look it over.<br /><br />Tom McGow<br />Bennett Marine<br /><br />Getting and Staying Trimmed<br /><br />All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.<br /><br />A boat’s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)<br />Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator’s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners<br /><br />A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat’s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.<br /><br />Indications of Running Untrimmed<br />When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.<br /><br />Indications of Running Trimmed<br />The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding less strained.<br /><br />One Step at a Time<br />The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short bursts and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat’s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat’s particular traits.<br /><br />Take Off<br />Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.<br />As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes over sensitive and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control bow up until the desired attitude is established.<br /><br />Getting the Most from Power Trim<br />Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat’s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.<br /><br />Trimming to Sea Conditions<br />When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.<br />Correction of a List<br /><br />As previously mentioned the normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat’s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim.<br /><br />Correction of Porpoising<br />Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 

travism

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

Thanks for the responses so far. I know I have to keep experimenting a little bit, but now I know what to look for better. My lake is rather small and busy, so finding consistent conditions to experiment in are hard to come by. But I'll get it eventually. Just something else that I get to play with on the boat.<br /><br />Anybody else have anything to add? Thanks.
 

cuzner

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

Surprised Tabman did'nt mention his simulator.Go to Bennett marine web site and download the simulator. The site has some great info also.I just instaled atc controls on my sundancer and will be posting results after I,ve had a chance to use them.... you may want to add them to your christmas wish list.<br /><br /> Jim
 

Boatist

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Re: Trim tab procedure for getting on plane

Travism<br />Every boat and every set of tabs is a little different. Also conditions are different every day and very through the day.<br /><br />Tabs on my boat are very large and have a big effect so from full up I lower both for about 2 seconds. Now I bring the boat up on plane and set my speed. At this point I readjust the tabs for the ride I want. Last I set my engine trim for best speed at that throttle setting. When I stop I leave all the same. Next time I take off will come right up just like I want it. When condition change you will need to make minor adjustments to get the ride just like you want it.<br /><br />When it dout where to start use less trim and then trim down slowely. After a few trips will be no harder than adjusting your electric windows.
 
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