trailer running lights

fishingfanatic

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After many problems connecting wiring harness to car, found more problems with trailer. Got all the lights finally working except the running lights on the trailer, do have turn signals and brake lights..anybody had this problem, or have suggestions? thanks
 

2637042

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Re: trailer running lights

get yourself a multi-meter so you can trace where your problem is. First see if your vehicle power connector is suppling the trailer with current. then you can see where your problem is.
 

Richok

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Re: trailer running lights

Fishingfanatic do you have a test light or vom meter? Check your vehicle plug to make sure you are getting power at the proper time. You should have white wire for ground, brown wire for running lights, green (right signal) & yellow (left signal. <br />Most vehicles I have come in contact with the signal and brakes work on the same circuit.Don't try to ground off your ball. Run a good ground from the chassis to the white wire on the trailer and make sure you get a good ground. Either run a seperate wire to each taillight or put star washers under the ground screw. Make sure you have tailights grounded good if you use star washer. Grounds can cause you a lot of headaches. Good luck :)
 

MrBill

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Re: trailer running lights

Bear in mind that most vehicles today have numerous fuses for rear lighting. Check them all and expect to possibly find as many as eight for rear vehicle lighting. Maybe two for directions, two for running lights, two for braking, two for backup (many trailers don't have this lighting option). And maybe a separate additional one for emergency flashers
 

SS182

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Re: trailer running lights

MrBill,<br /><br />Good thinking. Spent time rewiring a trailer due to running lights not working. (needed to be done anyways) Ended up being the fuses in the truck. Purchase a light tester/dust cap combo for vechicle. It will tell you real quick if it is the truck or trailer. They are pretty cheap under $3.00.
 

gonefishie

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Re: trailer running lights

Hey fellas, I got a pretty weir problem with my trailer light too and hoping someone can help. The problem is with the right turn signal, I have a combo light that are tail/brake/turn signal/side marker from Peterson Manufacturing. When I turn on the truck head light to turn on the trailer tail light, the right turn signal doesn't work it stayed solid (brake and tail function properly), the left side work fine. When tail light not on (day time driving) the right turn signal work but the rear clearance light and side marker flash and the left turn signal also flash but not as bright. When blinker turn on, everything stay on solid. I disconnected the harness to check the truck lights, everything work fine without the trailer connect to it. The ground wire is attached to the trailer. Could it be something got crossed but everything did work perfectly before?
 

Wotknot

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Re: trailer running lights

Re-check, then triple check your ground, especially where the light mounts to the trailer. Sounds like a grounding problem to me.
 

gonefishie

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Re: trailer running lights

woknot> I took the right light out and ohmed out all the wires and got perfect connectivity between green and white wire and brown and white wire. also, put common lead of ohm meter to the trailer frame and red lead to each of the wire on the trailer, got perfect connectivity too. Did the same thing at the harness with same result I do have one of the light on the rear clearance light bar is out, could that caused the problem? The light ground is mounted to the mounting bolt and I do have that area paint all scrape off.
 

cp

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Re: trailer running lights

fishingfanatic - hope you've long ago resolved your problem, and have been too busy catching... :) <br /><br />gonefishie - you should not have continuity between the white wire and all the other wires 'cause that means everything's grounded...unless you didn't remove the bulbs, in which case you're reading through them to ground, and if that's the case you should see something like a couple of ohms. You using a digital meter?<br /><br />With the light mounted to the trailer, you should get zero ohms with one meter lead touching bare metal on the trailer and the other lead touching bare metal on the light mounting stud. Zero ohms means less than one ohm, something like 00.3 on a digital (don't confuse this with O.L (overload) or high resistance). Repeat for the other light. Then put one meter lead in the female receptacle of your flat 4-wire trailer connector (be sure to touch the metal on the sides) and with the other meter lead touching bare metal on the trailer, you should also see zero ohms. In any case, if you don't see zero, you've found the poor ground. Remove the light or lug and clean the area where the connection is made to the trailer until you see bare shiny metal, then remount/remake the connection using star washers. Make sure the washers bite into the metal.<br /><br />The one burnt-out light on the 3-light over 80" light bar should have no bearing on your problem. Good luck.
 

gonefishie

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Re: trailer running lights

pchonda> "With the light mounted to the trailer, you should get zero ohms with one meter lead touching bare metal on the trailer and the other lead touching bare metal on the light mounting stud."<br /><br />bare metal on the trailer and the light mounting stud is the same thing essentially the trailer frame since the stud is attached to the trailer and zero ohm would always be the case. I'm using a digital meter and am an electronic technician just haven't own a trailer for very long. I'm considered replacing the entire wiring, have anyone done this before and know how hard it would be to do that?
 

cp

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Re: trailer running lights

gonefishie - You're exactly right about the light mounting stud and the trailer being the same thing and there being zero ohms between them, IF the light stud is making good contact to the frame. That's the point that everyone has been trying to make to you.<br /><br />Without a good connection between the light stud and the trailer frame, you'll have a poor ground which can cause the symptoms you've reported. As an ET you'll understand that if the return path (ground connection) for your right blinker light is high resistance the current will take the path of least resistance such as through your other lights (your other lights flashing dimly are symptoms of that). If you want to, you could probably trace then draw out a schematic of your truck and trailer's circuitry showing all the parallel paths to ground through the different bulbs. Then you could take into account the filament resistances and applied voltages under different conditions to theorize where the fault lay.<br /><br />But it's simpler to just go make sure the ground connections are in fact good. A previously good connection can turn bad because of corrosion, or get loose because of vibration. Many have mistakenly assumed the ground connection to be good because it looked good, only to find out it wasn't good, hence the suggestion that you measure to determine for sure.<br /><br />If you want to rewire the trailer, that should be simple for an ET, but if the ground connection between the light stud and the trailer is not good, rewiring the trailer won't make any difference. Good luck.
 

gonefishie

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Re: trailer running lights

pchonda> will try what you suggested again, I'm leaning toward problem with the wire along the trailer frame, it's a seven year old trailer so that could happen. I shouldn't have a problem with the wiring up part but I was wondering about pulling the wires through the trailer frame. Thanks for your suggestion.
 

cp

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Re: trailer running lights

Most will tell you that 99% of all weird trailer light problems are caused by poor grounds. BTW, if your lights have a ground wire pigtail with a ring lug on the stud rather than an internal connection to the stud, make sure that lug has zero ohm continuity to the stud & frame too. Over 28+ years the only wiring problem on my trailers has been broken wires near the connector where there is the most flexing. It seems unlikely that you have broken wires, for if that were so your bulbs probably would not light up. Seven years is not that old for the wiring.<br /><br />It sounds like you have box beams forming your trailer frame from your wondering about pulling wires, as opposed to channel or I-beam frames with exposed wiring. If so, the box beams enclosing the wires make it even more unlikely you'd have a wiring defect since the wires would be protected from external damage. But, knowing Murphy's law ;) , anything is possible. If you definitely rule out a ground problem and want to do the rewiring, you know how to run the new wires: Securely fasten the new wires (or a strong string of enough length) to the old wires wherever they poke out of the frame, then pull the old wires out. By doing that you'll pull the new wires in as you pull out the old. If you pulled string out, you then attach the new wires and pull the string back out the other end to pull the new wires in. Hopefully you'll resolve the problem without having to rewire. Good luck.
 

gonefishie

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Re: trailer running lights

Yehhh, he shoot and he scored! it was the trailer plug, I replaced it today and everything works like it should and also redo all the ground points just for the hell of it and prevent future headaches. Thanks for all the help guys!
 

cp

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Re: trailer running lights

GOOD JOB! :) Now go put the boat in the water and have some fun. :D :cool: :D
 
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