Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

The Dougler

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Hi I'm a little new to this. I working on a deal for a boat and in order to bring it home I'm going to borrow my friends truck to pull it about 700km. His truck only has a 4-pin connector and no brake controller. The trailer has electric brakes, and has a 5 pin connector. The load is about 3000lbs (18ft bowrider). Do I need to install a controller and 5 pin connector on the truck or is there another way to tow it safely? I see pin adapters online would that work? or would every time you step on the brakes the trailer ones would lock up? Any insight would be great.

Thanks in advance.
 

northernmerc

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

You could pick up an adapter to go from the four pin plug on the truck to the plug on the trailer. If all the wiring on both units is good, the lights on the trailer should then work. But you won't have brakes on the trailer.

Whether or not you need brakes depends on the weight of the loaded trailer. Check with your DMV and they can tell you at what weight brakes are mandatory. Then determine the weight of your trailer and boat and you will know whether you will be legal pulling the trailer without having the brakes operational.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

asside of legality you also need to consider safety.... what are you towing with.... my truck would hardly even notice a 3000 lb load with or without brakes but my truck is 10,000 empty. A lighter rig could be down right dangerous without them.... you can wire a controller up to plug into cig lighter and trailer plug only.... (brake light signal comes from rear of truck) and run the wired out a window and through the bed so it is not permanant
 

bruceb58

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

If the trailer has electric brakes, you should use a controller and a 5 pin connector . for only 3000# you can probably get by without it for just bringing it home..
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

100% sure it is ELECTRIC brakes? It isn't unheard of on a boat trailer, just fairly rare. Since you dunk boat trailers on a regular basis, non-electric surge brakes are a much better (and common) choice.
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

Your vehicle weight verses the towing vehicles weight needs to be at a ratio of 2-1 at the very least to be safe. Just providing a 12 Volt circuit to the brakes does not "ease" them on like a controller does.

No hills and just a short distance to haul it... you'd probably get by with out brakes. The true answer is if you buy the guys boat, you should borrow his towing rig or have him tow it to your place. Borrowing your buddies truck is a risky deal especially hauling it 700km! :eek:

IF you are serious about buying the boat, buy a vehicle and get it set up with a brake controller before you go. 700km is a long way to go without brakes on a heavy boat. Your buddies truck would need to be a one ton to be even close to safe and I'd have HIM drive it. Insurance paid up on this rig?
 

DianneB

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

Connecting to the cigarette lighter sounds like a good idea but there are two things you would need to check: 1) The size of fuse on the lighter v.s. the fuse the controller is supposed to have. Many controllers come with a 30A fuse and most cigarette lighters are 20A. 2) The size of the ground wire on the trailer harness on the truck. If the harness was intended for lights only, the ground wire might be too light for the brakes.

Hiring a rig is definitely the way to go until you are set up to two safely. (I just bought a used boat this winter and paid the dealer to deliver it, C.O.D. - took all the worries off my shoulders.)
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

Having just bought a boat and a trailer with brakes, and having just wired my car up with the 5 wire plug to replace the 4 wire it came with, I think I can help here. ;)

First, does the front of your trailer look like this:
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If it does, it's a surge brake. When you hit the brakes in your car, the trailer pushes into your hitch, the front compresses and a cylinder pushes fluid to the brakes and slows the trailer.

Now, the extra wire on the 5 wire...The 4 wires are exactly the same, so even if you put a 4 wire connector up to your car (say you borrowed a friend's trailer or something), it'd still plug in. That 5th wire (mine was blue) goes to your reverse lights. What I did was cut the 4 wire off of mine, butt connected and shrink wrapped the same 4 colors off the 5 wire, and then ran the blue 5th wire to the taillight assembly and away I go.

What the 5th wire does is engage a solenoid in the trailer coupler which doesn't allow it to compress, and when you back up, it doesn't apply the brakes. You don't actually NEED that 5th wire, if you need to pull your trailer home without it or something, as you can usually use the safety pin from your hitch to insert into a hole in front of the surge section which will keep it from compressing.

From what I understand, you can back up normally on flat ground without the brakes engaging, but if you try to back up a hill, the tongue compresses and the brakes apply.

Anyway, that seemed like a convoluted post, but I hope it helps. :)
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

Your vehicle weight verses the towing vehicles weight needs to be at a ratio of 2-1 at the very least to be safe.

Your buddies truck would need to be a one ton to be even close to safe and I'd have HIM drive it. Insurance paid up on this rig?


are you serious? Recommending a ONE TON truck as a minimum to be safe pulling a 3000 pound load??? :confused:

Being careful is one thing, thats a little too careful! Also, 2:1 vehicle to load weight? I'm 99% sure very few people on here match that. I guess by that math you do need a one ton truck for a 3000 pound load. (Nevermind the truck is rated for probably 15000 pounds at a minimum!)
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

he was indicating that 2:1 or a 1 ton rig would be needed if the o/p intended to tow without trailer brakes... note this isn't a 5 mile slow jaunt to the lake but 420 miles over the road at I assume interstate speeds..... good advice in my book... A person might (and many times I have) get away with looser safety standards but that doesn't make it bad advice
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

My brother in laws brand new maxum from the dealership a few years back it was a 18' with a V-8 was a single axle trailer with no brakes. He towed that thing thousands of miles with a 3/4 ton truck and never had any issues with stopping or safety. True the dealer could have shafted him on the trailer but it was never an issue with towing/tracking/etc. Here in Utah there are a lot of lake that are mountian lakes so the drive to and from is VERY hilly and steep,(see Parleys canyon) with the right truck you would be fine townig that rig in my opinion.
 

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

Hi I'm a little new to this. I working on a deal for a boat and in order to bring it home I'm going to borrow my friends truck to pull it about 700km. His truck only has a 4-pin connector and no brake controller. The trailer has electric brakes, and has a 5 pin connector. The load is about 3000lbs (18ft bowrider). Do I need to install a controller and 5 pin connector on the truck or is there another way to tow it safely? I see pin adapters online would that work? or would every time you step on the brakes the trailer ones would lock up? Any insight would be great.

Thanks in advance.

I see that your info says GTA - Ontario and you're traveling 700kms so you're a Canuck like me.

I'm just going through the process of buying a new trailer/boat combo, and found this piece of information.

In Ontario, if the total weight is 3000lbs or more, it's required by law

I'd simply add the 5 pin connector (you can cut the old one, map the wires, and just run the extra 5th to your reverse lights on your trailer)

Hope this helps.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

I'd simply add the 5 pin connector (you can cut the old one, map the wires, and just run the extra 5th to your reverse lights on your trailer)

Hope this helps.
The 5th wire is for the electric brakes. May want to read the OP.
 

NelsonQ

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

The 5th wire is for the electric brakes. May want to read the OP.

Yup, my bad... the wiring I suggested was for surge brakes, not electric.:redface:

Legal requirements for Ontario still stands and needs to be considered.
 

mike343

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Re: Trailer Brake Controller necessary?

It's hard to believe a 3000lb rig has electric brakes. Are you sure you don't have disk brakes and the fifth pin (blue wire) is just the reverse brake lockout.
Just a suggestion.
 
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