towing with rims???

PJ Richards

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I have a 1987 17' open bow fourwinns that i trailer behind a 2000 chevy suburban 1500. i am not sure what the weight of the boat is but i am looking into buying rims for my truck. probably 22" or 24". would i still be able to tailer the boat with the rims on without damging them or the boat? any answers would be appreciated b4 i spend the $2500
 

180shabah

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Re: towing with rims???

The diameter of the wheel is irrelevent. What matters is the final overal diameter of the chosen tire. Larger diameter = less towing ability and more importantly, less stopping ability. Also, with those kind of wheel diameters, the tires tend to have rubber compounds and tread patterns that are less useful on boat ramps.

Only you can decide if it is worth dropping $2500 to make your truck less usable as a truck.
 

kanga2311

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Re: towing with rims???

The biggest concern I have is the lack of sidewall. You need some flex in the tire to absorb impacts. I don't think they recommend towing with 24" wheels, I'm sure the sidewall will be less than 2 inches. Not to mention the ride would be very rough. I was actually thinking of going to 15" wheels to gain sidewall, better for rocks and some off roading.
 

rjlipscomb

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Re: towing with rims???

Quick and simple answer is yes, your truck will still pull that boat. Assuming your truck is properly equipped of course.

Questions remain if doing so makes good trailering sense. You'll probably have poor traction on the ramps and your hitch will take more of a beating given the reduction in the tires ability to dampen the bumps and impacts. But, its your truck and your boat. Have fun :) and be safe.
 

reelfishin

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Re: towing with rims???

I'd also check the weight rating of the new rims, many of those super size rims don't have much capacity and are even worse when it comes to impact of side load.
I think I'd put the $2500 into the boat and leave the truck as a good tow vehicle. $2500 will buy a lot of gas and bait.
 

Titanium48

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Re: towing with rims???

Huge rims aren't good for much other than the bling factor. If you must have them but you don't want to diminish the capabilities of your truck, make sure that the load rating of the wheels and the tires you put on them is at least 1/2 of your rear GAWR, and that the diameter is no bigger than stock. Be prepared to downsize the wheels somewhat (maybe 20 inch) to get what you need.
 

Rowroy

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Re: towing with rims???

You also need to be aware of the fact that your braking capacity will be deminished due to the larger wheels.
 

Titanium48

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You also need to be aware of the fact that your braking capacity will be deminished due to the larger wheels.

Not by that much if the overall tire diameter is the same as stock. There are two ways that wheels affect braking:

The first is weight - big wheels tend to be heavier and the weight is closer to the outside, giving them a larger moment of inertia. A rough approximation is that a pound of wheel weight will have the same effect on acceleration and braking as 2 pounds of payload, so using fancy wheels that are each 25 lb heavier than stock is like picking up another 200 lb buddy on the way to the lake.

The second and potentially larger effect happens when you increase the overall diameter of the tires. The larger the diameter, the more torque that is required to produce the same acceleration or braking force. Torque is force X distance, so doubling the diameter would cut your braking force in half. More realistically, going from a LT245/75R16 to a 305/40R24 would increase the overall diameter by 3 inches (10%), which would have a similar effect on braking to increasing the weight of the vehicle (and the trailer if it doesn't have brakes) by 10%. If the combined weight is 8000 lb, you've effectively added another 800 lb as far as braking performance is concerned.

This situation can be avoided without reducing the bling factor too much by using 295/45R20, which are the same diameter as the stock 245/75R16 and have a sufficient load rating for a half ton. I still wouldn't want to be driving on any rough roads with them though.
 

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Re: towing with rims???

I have a 1987 17' open bow fourwinns that i trailer behind a 2000 chevy suburban 1500. i am not sure what the weight of the boat is but i am looking into buying rims for my truck. probably 22" or 24". would i still be able to tailer the boat with the rims on without damging them or the boat? any answers would be appreciated b4 i spend the $2500

A 17' boat doesn't weigh enough to make any difference. Get the rims/tires you like and enjoy.
 

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Re: towing with rims???

Not by that much if the overall tire diameter is the same as stock. There are two ways that wheels affect braking:

The first is weight - big wheels tend to be heavier and the weight is closer to the outside, giving them a larger moment of inertia. A rough approximation is that a pound of wheel weight will have the same effect on acceleration and braking as 2 pounds of payload, so using fancy wheels that are each 25 lb heavier than stock is like picking up another 200 lb buddy on the way to the lake.

The second and potentially larger effect happens when you increase the overall diameter of the tires. The larger the diameter, the more torque that is required to produce the same acceleration or braking force. Torque is force X distance, so doubling the diameter would cut your braking force in half. More realistically, going from a LT245/75R16 to a 305/40R24 would increase the overall diameter by 3 inches (10%), which would have a similar effect on braking to increasing the weight of the vehicle (and the trailer if it doesn't have brakes) by 10%. If the combined weight is 8000 lb, you've effectively added another 800 lb as far as braking performance is concerned.

This situation can be avoided without reducing the bling factor too much by using 295/45R20, which are the same diameter as the stock 245/75R16 and have a sufficient load rating for a half ton. I still wouldn't want to be driving on any rough roads with them though.

yeah your not exactly right. sounds good though.

The weight of the rims has a large effect on braking power and is the reason people upgrade to larger brakes.

More so than running larger mud tires!


Larger rims reduce your braking ability, ruin your ride, ruin your ability to use it as a truck. ( a lot of giving up to be getto fabulous)
 

emarkd

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Re: towing with rims???

Just a thought: are you selling your stock rims/tires to be able to buy the new ones? A floor jack, a little sweat equity, and a few minutes is all it takes to swap wheels before hooking up the boat.
 

Titanium48

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Re: towing with rims???

yeah your not exactly right. sounds good though.

The weight of the rims has a large effect on braking power and is the reason people upgrade to larger brakes.

More so than running larger mud tires!

The 2:1 ratio I gave above is an extreme case that would only be exact if all of the weight of the wheel was in a thin layer around the outside. In that case, the wheel's moment of inertia would be maximized and the force required to slow the rolling wheel's rotation would be equal to that required to slow its forward motion. Thus, the total force required would be twice that required to slow a nonrotating object by the same amount. For a real wheel, the moment of inertia will be less and the multiplier will be smaller.
 

FishyFish

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Re: towing with rims???

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Been running this way for years, well, since 2004. Never had a problem.
 

Silvertip

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Re: towing with rims???

Overall tire diameter is a very "huge" factor when it comes to towing. As was pointed out earlier, if the tire diameter and hence its circumference increases, the final drive ratio decreases by an equivalent percentage. Decreasing the effective axle ratio seriously affects towing ability. Decreasing ratio by the way means you have the same thing as a higher gear. Not the way to improve towing ability.
 

FishyFish

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I guess the real question here is Do you want to increase your effective ability of towing or do you just wanna Look Good while you're Towing? Your call Bud.......I wanna look good. :D
 

Shrub88

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Re: towing with rims???

This is 24's on a Suburban, sorry not for me.


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Rowroy

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Re: towing with rims???

Just because others do it, doesn't make it right.
 
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