towing capacity limits?

Wreck Rider

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Does anyone know what actually limits towing capacity of different vehicles? I had a hitch installed on my Maxda Mystere (1993) and the shop said I could only get a class I hitch rated at 1500 lbs. maximum. After a weekend of towing, ramping, and boating I weighed my boat and motor on trailer to find out it was actually 2440 lbs.! The hitch didn't fall off and the car performance was a bit slow but acceptable so.... what actually limits my particular car's towing capacity? :confused:
 

Lark40

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Re: towing capacity limits?

Many of us, myself included, have done stupid things things with towing beyond reasonable limits.<br /><br />The fact that nothing bad happened only means that we were lucky, not that the vehicles were safely loaded.<br /><br />There are precise formulas that vehicle manufacturers use to calculate towing capacities.<br /><br />Among other things, these include vehicle weight, wheelbase, engine, transmission, cooling system, frame type and strength, springs, brakes, wheels, tires.<br /><br />Probably many other factors, but these are among the obvious.<br /><br />Also, if you have an accident while overloaded, you could face charges and legal hassles and no help from your insurance company.
 

Seaboo2

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Re: towing capacity limits?

"if you have an accident while overloaded, you could face charges and legal hassles and no help from your insurance company" That is THE best argument for towing limits. <br /><br /> Manufactures towing limits have a built in safty linit (about 20% from what I've heard).<br /><br /> A steep ramp might get the best of you. <br /><br /> Figure the towing weight of the vechicle (or gross weight) also includes people, gear, gas, ect.. Real easy to go even MORE past the limit. (right now you are almost 1000# Just on the hitch (not even considering tounge weight in the mix).<br /><br /> If you are over weight you are not safe (IMHO).<br />There are limits for a reason and (god forbid) in a court case this is not a good equation.
 

dakotashooter2

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Re: towing capacity limits?

I think most people forget about the "wear and tear" factor that manufacturers figure into those towing capacities. While some vehicles may appear to be the same and one would figure they could handle towing the same load, weight, gearing, engine size and many other factors can limit what a vehicle can tow long term and safely without, or with little adverse effects to the vehicle or safety of the passengers. Your can tow a 1500# rig with a GEO (I've seen it happen) but if you do it every day that 3 banger GEO will be dead in a year. Towing capacities are as much, "is it wise" as they are "is it possible".
 

Wreck Rider

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Re: towing capacity limits?

Thanks, it's informative to hear a few opinions on the topic.
 

Kenneth Brown

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Re: towing capacity limits?

I had a 89 1500 (1/2 ton) Chebbie that I hauled 3&1/2 tons of rock with. It was all loaded in the bed. My front whells would sqeak whenever turned. It made it home, 31 miles of curvy road. I'll never do anything that stupid again, but it did work.
 

bolted4

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Re: towing capacity limits?

This might not be quite what you r looking for but I have a Pontiac Montana I plan on towing with. The manual says up to 3500# cap. but any thing over 1000lbs the trailer must have brakes. What kind of stupidity is that. The jet ski I had weighed more than that. So I looked at my old Chevy S-10 pickup which I towed 2700# boats "with no problems" and guess what the owners manual said. same Damned thing. I have a 18foot with 1800lbs weight. What would you do? I assumed I will be getting my rotors and brakes redone by end of next year????
 

RatFish

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Re: towing capacity limits?

bolted4,<br /><br />I would put brakes on the trailer for safety and liability reasons.
 

bhalsdorf

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Re: towing capacity limits?

I know here in Connecticut the law is any trailer with over 2500 lbs gross weight (trailer and Load) has to have it's own brake system. As far as what the vehicle manufacturer says I would guess it would depend on what changes were made to the vehicle such as suspension.
 

B_Eager

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Re: towing capacity limits?

That's interesting, in 1988 it was over 3500 pounds for boats. in 1999 it changed to 3000 pounds for boats. Now it is 2500 pounds for boats?? or is that for all trailers??<br />Boats load rules are different in many states then camper or utility trailers.<br />By the way, i would love to see the guy towing 1500 pounds with a three cylinder Geo, My 4 cylinder has trouble climbing as hill with 4 adults and two bags of groceries.
 

ob1jeeper

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Re: towing capacity limits?

In my experience, manufacturers typically do NOT use any complex formula's for assessing what thier vehicles can safely pull. And with todays legal environments, safely is THE key word here, NOT just what will not make it fail from a break-down perspective.<br /><br />There some "rules of thumb" guidelines that most manufacturers engineers, use to establish the initial base parameters, but eventually it boils down to a vehicle dynamics engineer (those are the guys and gals, who put the vehicle to the limits of it's handling, under controlled conditions), hooking up a variety of trailer sizes.. (Length, axle configurations, weight, and center of gravity load balance configurations), then performing "limit handling" maneuvers, to assess the vehicles reactions to as wide a range of situations, conditions, and loadings, as it is desired to be qualified to handle.<br /><br />Then, since these guys and gals are typically folks with not only LOTS of trailering experience, they also are those with some of the best reaction and driving skills within thier respective engineering organizations (other wise they would be working in another area), they narrow down to what they feel is an acceptable set-up (or range of set ups). Following that, under the same controlled conditions, they get a wider audience of drivers into the vehicles, to perform some of the same maneuvers, in attempts to make sure they have not missed, some "driver-induced quirks", that may cause specific trailer handling issues.<br /><br />ONLY after a apprpriate sizing is selected, from a safe towing perspective, do manufacturers typically begin to develop and test for things such as required cooling packages, etc...<br /><br />As a consumer, if you are willing to operate outside the guidelines established by your vehicles manufacturer... Then also be willing to live (or NOT live) with the consequences...<br /><br />That applies to trailer towing as well as it does to use of appropriate lubricants for your vehicle.<br /><br />Good Luck to all... Please practice safe trailering practices and ettiquette...
 

Dave Tollefson

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Re: towing capacity limits?

There seem to be a few general rules about towing capacity. Longer vehicles are more stable when making sudden moves while towing. Heavy tow vehicles are much more stable and easily controlled because they don't get "pushed around" by the boat and trailer. There are some subtle factors as well. My old Volvo wagon with a four banger has a higher rating than my Ford Explorer - and it's for real. It feels better when towing. I guess it is related to suspension, wheelbase and weight distribution. I have seen SUVs on the freeway which were being controlled by the weight of the trailer rather than the opposite. Trailer brakes would be a nice addition. Dave
 
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