Too stubborn to give up

stanky

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Okay, I know that most of you will recommend that I just go buy a new fuel pump. And I also know that ultimately I will probably end up doing just that. But you should know that I am far too cheap and stubborn to give up so soon. Besides, this is a REPAIR forum, right? I don't just want to run out and buy a new one - that is how my wife solves problems! I'd rather attempt a fix and squeeze the primer bulb all the way home if things go south on me.

Now that we have an understanding, let me outline my issue and pose a question to you. As most of you know, the smaller Evinrude's rely on a fuel pump which works by a diaphragm and couple of spring valves to siphon fuel to the carburetor. If you are having fuel pump problems you may decide to get the "fuel pump repair kit." However, this kit only contains a new diaphragm and a few gaskets. So if your problem is with the pesky spring valves you will have just wasted your time and money.

The spring valves aren't very complicated, and yet they seem to be engineered to fail. I'd bet that spring valve problems are more frequent than diaphragm problems, which makes the "fuel pump repair kit" somewhat of a hoax. The weak link is the retainer ring which holds the spring in place. As far as I can tell, this ring is held in place by four little tabs. On my fuel pump (which sits on a 9.9 hp 4-stroke) the retainer rings had popped off both spring valves. I was able to put one of them back together, but the other has a few of those tabs missing, and as a result, will not stay in place. See photo below.

Now I made a mistake last night in this forum by begging for one of your old junk Johnson/Evinrude fuel pumps in order to harvest the retainer ring to fix my problem. However, the purpose of this forum is to educate and not to beg, so my post disappeared. I am posting now in hopes of educating others about the problems that may lurk in their fuel pumps that can't be fixed with the OMC repair kit. I also wanted to know if there is a gas resistant adhesive that I could use to glue these rings in place.

Lastly, if you see a guy off the coast of San Diego in a RIB pumping the primer bulb to get home, don't tell my wife.
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tashasdaddy

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

search ebay for a used pump. to me a fuel pump is too important to rebuild or screw around with. i replace mine.
 

steelespike

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Do those tabs fit into individual notches or is it just a groove.If a groove perhaps you could use a center punch near ther edge to create a couple of bulges to snap into the groove.??
 

stanky

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

The tabs are probably just forced outward into the plastic body when these rings are seated into position. There are tiny "scratches" from the tabs, but no grooves or notches. You can see in the center of the second photo how the plastic body is molded with four seats to keep the ring from going in too far.

If I can't find a replacement ring or an adhesive, I might try to melt the plastic over the ring with my soldering iron. That will either work or screw everything up so bad that I will be forced to get a new fuel pump.

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dreadinger

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

those are one way valves and are critical, I wouldn' consider anything less than installing new parts.
 

Tim Frank

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Okay, I know that most of you will recommend that I just go buy a new fuel pump. And I also know that ultimately I will probably end up doing just that. But ......
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There is almost always a "but"....
Lawyers have an expression for this...."asked and answered".
It may work, but just about everyone in here values their time sufficiently that they would not think of going this route.....as you surmised.
However, best of luck....to you and your wife. :)
 

stanky

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Feast your eyes on what a little 40 watt soldering iron can do. That valve is in there better than the day it came out of the factory. I will put the pump back on this weekend and test it with a pair of muffs. When the rain stops I will let you ladies know how it handles the open ocean!

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stanky

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

It has been almost a year since my last post.
(1) Repaired fuel pump still working flawlessly after many hours of use.
(2) Still married to same woman.
(3) The $100 I saved was invested and is now worth $0.

Happy New Year.
 

mikesea

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

I must say,tried and proven.Educated too.Thanks
 

jonesg

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

It has been almost a year since my last post.
(1) Repaired fuel pump still working flawlessly after many hours of use.
(2) Still married to same woman.
(3) The $100 I saved was invested and is now worth $0.

Happy New Year.

See, I told you it would work,mmmm sorta.
But you wouldn't listen.:)
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Glad it worked out for you. However I know which route I would have taken.
 

Tim Frank

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Congratulations . If it works, it works! :)

I am sure we have all been there and done that ....invested an inordinate amount of time actually working through a problem and accomplishing a repair of which we could be legitimately proud....even though the watching multitude thought we were nuts.
I would certainly have at something like that if I was "a guy off the coast of San Diego in a RIB pumping the primer bulb to get home", but if I was already home, I'd have invested the $100- in something else....like say, marine parts....:)

Guess that's why you called us "ladies"...:D;)
 

tmcalavy

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Re: Too stubborn to give up

Must be pumping kinda slow...took him a year to get back and update us on his perspicacity...endeavor to persevere.
 
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