Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

ubxf

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i ran the engine with no oil and seized it up within 15 minutes. I brought it to a service dealer who said that in order to assess the damage he needed to spend 3 or 4 hours to open the engine; then it could be anywhere from $300 to 1300 in parts to fix it.It seems to me that it's a big gamble to go for the repair as it might cost more than a new engine.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Can you get the pistons to move at all? Remove the spark plugs and spray some WD40 into the cylinders and then try. You don't say much about the motor as to what year, 2 stroke or 4 stroke engine and model. A lot of if's there.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

the engine is a new 2006 four stroke that sat in the garage for 2 years and got
used too quickly without the proper check up . i will try the WD40 but i believe
the dealer must have tried that first because the spark plugs were disconnected
when i got the engine back from them . MFS 9.8A3 is the model #
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

There is no way to tell how bad it is untill you tear it down. If the crank is not bad, it will be a lot cheaper to fix. It could go eather way, it is a gamble. I wish you luck.:)
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Thanks. i'm going to take my chances and open it up. i've worked on my atomic 4 with good results but i'm new to outboards.Besides the service manual is there any other resource that would explain this procedure.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

A parts catalog might come in handy. You really need a good diagnosis of whether the crank and rods (and main bearings) are bad, or if it's just a situation of stuck pistons. If it was completely out of oil, all bets are off.

One old-school treatment to unstick it would be to fill the cylinders and crankcase with Marvel Mystery Oil (seriously, that's the name) and let it soak for a week or so, cross your fingers, then see if it frees up.

No guarantees, but the valve train _may_ still be OK.
 
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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

You might as well strip the thing down to see how bad the cyls & crank are. Don't worry about hurting it, it's junk already. Maybe you can find a 9.8 with a junk gearcase somewhere.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

ok thanks guys. there was no oil because it ships with no oil.
as you said it's junk already so i should'nt be afraid to open it up.
i'll try the Marvel Mystery oil first.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Marvel Mystery Oil worked and it's moving, both cylinders seem to compress at least strong enough to push my thumb.What would be the next step.
Thanks guys for the great suggestions so far i'm starting to have a little hope
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Assuming you ran the motor in water, and didn't wreck the impeller, the next thing would be to fill the oil and check the LU lube, and try a test fire (in water or on muffs, of course) to see if it does run. Otherwise, put a new impeller in before you go further.

If it does run, there will likely be less compression than new, but it MAY work OK. Probably will use oil more than usual, especially until the rings re-seat. If it runs, it will probably dump more heat than usual while the cylinders mate up to the rings.

Assuming it does run, listen carefully for connecting rod noise. If it has a rod knock, it will need to be torn down. If it sounds normal, I would just run it, and keep an eye on temperatures and oil consumption. If it got bloody hot as it seized, the thermostat may have jammed, so monitor cooling closely.

The 8/9.8 does not have bearing inserts at the big ends of the connecting rods, so a rod knock may call for a new crank and rods. The specs are in the Factory service manual. If you have micrometers (both inside and outside mics) and plastigage, and the skill to go through the bottom end, an R+R of the rods and crank is do-able, and still cheaper than a new motor. If you DO have to tear it down, consider honing the cylinders, and throwing in a set of pistons and rings (and possibly an oil pump) along with whatever bottom end parts it needs, while you have it apart.

Otherwise, if you have a rod knock, and can't overhaul it yourself, it will be time for a dealer estimate to determine whether repair or replacement is more economical

If it fires up OK, and doesn't knock, count your blessings, and just run it.

It will never be "new" again, but you may have gotten lucky, and gotten one that will run.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Thank you so much Paul for your detailed explanation.i will follow your advice
and report back.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

i ran the engine for 30 min in neutral and it seems to work fine i did'nt hear any knocking. i will try it in gear next. Do i need to change the thermostat ?
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Sounds like you lucked out. Apparently it was just stuck pistons. Good deal.

Since it didn't overheat in your 30-min run, no need for a new 'stat.

I'd just keep an eye on the oil. Change it, since the pistons undoubtedly shed some aluminum to the cylinder walls, and that metal ends up in the oil. The 9.8 does not have an oil filter, so changing the oil is the only way to get any junk out of the sump. Remember, never overfill the oil. Not even a drop too much, or you may experience "making oil" problems. A complete fill is about 7/8 of a quart. Not a full quart.

Complete the break-in procedure, change the oil again at about 10 hours (after break-in), and enjoy.

You're one lucky guy, and this is yet another example of how the Tohatsu units are nearly bulletproof.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

+1 for the very well built Tohatsu. Thanks again Paul for you very generous help
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

This is actually a different thread. You'll find a lot of posts on all the 4-stroke forums on this topic. There's an FAQ on this at http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=158085

Basically, a 4-stroke OB crankcase, any 4-stroke, often runs cooler than its automotive cousins. These motors can suffer from blow-by of unburned fuel and moisture, as well as condensation, especially during break-in, which can accumulate in the oil. Hence the oil level can actually RISE -- "Making Oil".

Result is contaminated oil, and too much of it. THAT can result in excess crankcase pressures, low oil pressures, and even liquid lock, in addition to poor lubrication. I have seen motors with "milkshake" oil in them (severe water contamination) after an afternoon of running time.

The problem can be exacerbated by extended idling, unnecessary choking, use of synthetic crankcase oil, oil that is too high in viscosity, or overfilling the crankcase.

For 1- and 2-cyl 4-strokes, we recommend non-synthetic crankcase oil, of factory-recommended viscosity for the ambient temperature, rated for 4-stroke OB's, and never overfill the crankcase. For a Tohatsu 9.8, half-way on the dipstick is OK.
 

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Re: Tohatsu Seized 9.8 HP 4 stroke

Tohatsu is the makers of mercury same engine as the 9.9 merc just a diff cover
 
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