To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

[paultjohnson]

Thanks for reading my posts, but I DO want to make something clear.. I AM IN NO WAY SUGGESTING, ENCOURAGING OR RECOMENDING that you shouldnt go with a name brand manufactured product. I WOULD like to know if its feesable to use a home brew on some applications. I hate to pay for a pretty packaging job and a 1000% mark up on the product. [been outa work over a year] and funds are tight. Anyhow , I just wanted to put my disclaimer in so I dont start getting feedback that someone followed my post and had an -issue
Just throwing out some food for thought to do with as you wish

 

[joed]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

I used to just squirt oil from my oil can into each cylinder for the winter. I never had any problems. My neighbour uses his 9.9 5-10 times a summer, parks it for the winter and it works just fine next summer. This has been going on for at least 15 years. The only problem he had was the pickup tube in the tank rotting off.

 

[Fireman431]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

Thanks for the information and especially, thanks for taking the time to research and post your findings.

However, as a 23+ year Fire Service employee, please, please, please DO NOT create your own homw brew and attempt to fog the cylinders with flammable/volitale solution.

Although the ingredients and their (close to) percentages may be available, the items that you can purchase locally ARE NOT the same chemicals that the manufacturers use. They may have the same name, but the individual concentrations may be different. An example would be: Company 'X' uses 28% Napthalyne in it's mixture of fogging solution. However, that 28% Naptha might have 10 different chemicals in it at predetermined amounts than the Naptha you can get locally.

Another example is the posting I read about IPA. Some other posters mentioned that it must be Isoprophyl Alcohol. It would stand to reason...but what if it was something else?

Basically, what I'm saying is that the people that developed these solutions were schooled more than most of us, trained in the field of chemical analysis, has testing grounds available, and millions of dollars in backing for R&D.

I have seen many, many people injured or killed from doing things without the proper training or guidance. Why put yourself at risk to save $10-$15 dollars on fogging fluid once a year? Please think about it.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Bifflefan]

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I AM IN NO WAY SUGGESTING, ENCOURAGING OR RECOMENDING that you shouldnt go with a name brand manufactured product.

We live in a sad time when you feel that you have to post this to keep from offending anyone.

 

[Brokenrod]

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Another example is the posting I read about IPA. Some other posters mentioned that it must be Isoprophyl Alcohol. It would stand to reason...but what if it was something else?

I was that poster. I said " pretty sure its iso prophyl alcohol" i never said it must be.
With that being said, I couldnt agree more with your post. These are exact, critical chemical formulations. mixing too much of this and not enough of that could create some nasty special effects.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

We live in a sad time when you feel that you have to post this to keep from offending anyone.

Yeah... Ya Know if I we were talking about a meatloaf recipe it wouldnt matter.. But I started thinking that I might have given some people the idea that its a good idea to play chemist with a bunch of flammable chemicals and maybe burn thier faces off or burn the house/ boat down. Or ruin thier engine. I dont wanna be responsible for that. So everyone PLEASE USE GOOD JUDGEMENT with any info/thoughts, you get online.

I wish I knew if different Napthas were like , say different gasolines. You know different , but not to different like 88 octane compared to 92 octane.
But I dont know, wish I did, wish someone that did would enlighten me/us
But for all I know one Naptha might be as flamable as rubbing alcohol and one as flammable/explosive as nitro glycerine. [ Exagerated to make my point].
PLEASE BE CAREFUL? SMART!!!!!!!!!!

 

[8hygro]

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If the average consumer really looked up what many brands backgrounds are they would be quite enlightened. Heck, many you cannot find any information on other than a marketing department location...that should tell you something. Research and development does not come cheap nor easy. When specifically talking about lubricants and other such derivatives 90% of the products on the shelf come from 3-4 vendors. There is often more money in the marketing end than the manufacturing end. Some maunfacturers have actually distanced themselves from in-house branding for a buffer from legal concerns and possible PR. Crazy convuluted world we live in.

 

[Fisherball]

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The ingredients may be only part of the equation. Are they just poured into a vat & mixed together? Are they distilled & mixed in steps under pressure? If you mix the ingredients for lasagne together & put it in the oven without cooking the noodles first it's not going come out right, it probably is the same with a chemical product.

 

[dvandsm64]

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don't know about fogging i'm lazy and old and have the marina do it. 25 yrs. ago i had an old Mustang that i used to squirt wd-40 down cylinders and it sat for along time. it mite not have started after sitting for years , but it turned over like a champ!

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

If the average consumer really looked up what many brands backgrounds are they would be quite enlightened. Heck, many you cannot find any information on other than a marketing department location...that should tell you something. Research and development does not come cheap nor easy. When specifically talking about lubricants and other such derivatives 90% of the products on the shelf come from 3-4 vendors. There is often more money in the marketing end than the manufacturing end. Some maunfacturers have actually distanced themselves from in-house branding for a buffer from legal concerns and possible PR. Crazy convuluted world we live in.

Well said and oh so true I believe

 

[srimes]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

Too late. I took your apparent advice and mixed up some homebrew seafoam and blew up my motor. You owe me a new 1979 Chrysler 700


I bet mixing your own isn't that hard or sensitive, but in this case the risk is kinda high (cooking a motor). Hell, I've heard of people suggesting they burned a piston running too much seafoam in the tank.

I use a homebrew mix of penetrating oil that tested better than anything on the market (kroil is the best sold), and it's just 50/50 atf/acetone. Cheap and works great. Don't know if I'll try homebrew seafoam or not. I work with some chemical engineers, I'll see what they say.

 

[cr2k]

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Well one thing I am pretty sure of is the chemical companies that come up with these products do a lot of testing to see how it can be made with the highest profit margin.

Being a retired career firefighter I do agree with Fireman431 about home brews, as I have seen some bad shi* made at home blow up and hurt kids and innocent ppl. If they only hurt them selves, OK it's the Darwin thing, but not others. Some chemicals compliment each others some just don't get along and unless you really know which is which it can be real dangerous. Like ammonia and chlorine 2 products used for similar purposes.

In the old days we would just squirt some oil or ATF in the carb while turning over the engine with the ignition disabled, always worked fine then, why not now?

As for WD-40 don't like it because it turns to gunk. It's made to seal and form a barrier on stuff that turns sticky and nasty over time, kinda like the old cosmoline.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

Too late. I took your apparent advice and mixed up some homebrew seafoam and blew up my motor. You owe me a new 1979 Chrysler 700


Ah hell.... how much and where do I send the check?

 

[fishrdan]

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If you mix the ingredients for lasagne together & put it in the oven without cooking the noodles first it's not going come out right....

One of my ol' girl friends sisters did just that and I can tell you from first hand experience,,, it wasn't tasty

 

[shrew]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

The ingredients may be only part of the equation. Are they just poured into a vat & mixed together? Are they distilled & mixed in steps under pressure? If you mix the ingredients for lasagne together & put it in the oven without cooking the noodles first it's not going come out right, it probably is the same with a chemical product.

This is an excellent point and one I was considering as well. We have no idea what order ingredients are combined and how. For all we know, certain products must be combined in certain orders or quantities for stability purposes. Time may be needed for chemical reactions between component A and component B to occur prior to adding component C. A and C may need to be combined, then B and D prior to combining the two compunds together.

A law suit for providing an opinion anonymously over the internet for free would never stand up in court. If you charged for that opinion or charged to perform the work and did damage that would be different.

 

[Frank Acampora]

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Having worked in related industries, I can tell you that there is NOTHING esoteric about it. Basically marketing hype to sell product. In the 1920s, Joe Blow made a chemical mix that did a job for him and decided to sell it to others. Years later, he sold the formula to a larger company who branded the name.

The chemicals -- oils in this case-- are simply mixed in the proper quantities in a large tank-- 10,000 gal or more-- and packaged in an explosion proof room. No chemical engineers are involved and the guy doing the mixing doesn't even have a high school diploma--may not even speak english.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

Having worked in related industries, I can tell you that there is NOTHING esoteric about it. Basically marketing hype to sell product. In the 1920s, Joe Blow made a chemical mix that did a job for him and decided to sell it to others. Years later, he sold the formula to a larger company who branded the name.

The chemicals -- oils in this case-- are simply mixed in the proper quantities in a large tank-- 10,000 gal or more-- and packaged in an explosion proof room. No chemical engineers are involved and the guy doing the mixing doesn't even have a high school diploma--may not even speak english.

Thanks Frank.... Its nice to hear feedback from someone that worked in the field. [No offense to everybody else that commented, that hasnt worked in the field-I havent either]
Frank one question that I still have in my mind is ... How different is one form of Naptha from another ? Do You Know ??? Thx

 

[Cannondale]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

The chemicals -- oils in this case-- are simply mixed in the proper quantities in a large tank-- 10,000 gal or more-- and packaged in an explosion proof room. No chemical engineers are involved and the guy doing the mixing doesn't even have a high school diploma--may not even speak english.

And what does that exactly have to do with anything? I guess most people figured out already that at the manufacturing/mixing point, there would be no chemical engineers doing the grunt work.

But does that also mean that there were no chemical engineers involved in the design/testing/coming up with the proper distillates to be used in that final mixing of the essential chemicals? Or are you insinuating that no one with any specialized advanced education was ever involved in coming up with the formula of which ever of the discussed products is being made?

I wish it were that simple that a 10th grade dropout can come up with this stuff, but in reality, you know as well as anyone it's just not that easy or simple. And I'll guarantee you someone with more than a high school diploma (or even a BS in chem. engineering) was involved.

 

[lncoop]

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mmmmmmmm. meat loaf. mmmmmmmm. lasagna.

 

[Frank Acampora]

Re: To anyone thats read my msds posts on fogging oil and seafoam !!

Well, cannon, not to get nasty BUT---Oh! There's that little word again.--- If you could read, you would see that in my post a backyard mechanic (Joe Blow) made a mix and decided to sell it. He was no chemical engineer and just did trial and error until he got something he thought worked. What does it have to do with anything? Nothing! I'm just trying to rile up the forum--or so some might think.