tldi warning light question

jshoes52

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I have a 90hp TLDI with 100 hrs and going into its 3rd year of service. There is a dual battery system in the boat with a "1" "all" "2" battery switch. I use battery #1 as the starting/running battery. It's rated at 800 mca. <br /><br />I've had warning lites on 2 consecutive trips now. First time we ran out to an anchorage on battery "1", stopped the engine and anchored. We ran the cd player for over two hours on battery #2. I forgot to switch back to battery "1" when I went to restart the motor, and all 3 warning lites began flashing with no beeping when I turned the key on. Without starting the boat, I turned the key off and switched back to batt 1. Then the boat started and ran as normal back to the launch.<br /><br />Episode two happened last nite. Same scenario except we ran to a fishing spot, switched to battery 2, and dropped anchor and played the radio for over an hour. Upon re-starting while still on battery 2, I got the same 3 warning lites flashing with no beeping. I didn't attempt to start the engine, but instead without turning the key back off, I switched to battery 1. I still had 3 warning lites flashing with no beeping sound. Engine started normally but was in forced idling mode. We went a short distance, dropped anchor again, and shut motor off. When I restarted an hour later on battery 1, everything was normal. When I got home I flushed the motor on ear muffs, and it started and ran normally on each battery.<br /><br />According to my service manual, three indicator lights flashing with no beeping and forced idling indicates a faulty TPS or faulty TPS power supply. My own personal logic tells me it was a low #2 battery, except that I can't explain why the lites kept flashing when I switched to battery 1 without turning the key off. By not turning the key off, did I maintain the fault even though the good battery was now online? And could battery #2 re-charge itself enough on the drive home to start and run the motor normally on the muffs?
 

TOHATSU GURU

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Re: tldi warning light question

The short answer is.....your number two battery is too small or you have a wiring problem from that battery to the engine. Even your number one battery is too small. Invest in a battery with 900 CCA or more. When your electrical system is skating the edge of the requirements, like yours, it really does not take much being wrong to drop you into the range of "low voltage". The answer to question one is yes and question two is probably not.<br /><br />Since you are still in warranty I would run it back by the dealer who did the installation and have them explain why they put that tiny little battery in your boat.
 

jshoes52

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Re: tldi warning light question

Elvin, fortunately, the Tohatsu dealer is completely innocent in this affair. I am the dumbass who put that tiny battery (600mca, rc140, group 24dc-6) in the boat as the "house" battery to run radios, lights, depth sounder etc when the engine is off. I was also wrong in the first post. The starting battery is rated at 1000mca and 800cca, group 24m-8, not 800mca as I posted yesterday. This was the largest marine starting battery I could find. Neither battery has an "ah" rating on it although the service manual and the previous discussion a few days ago specifically states 100ah minimum and 120ah as best case.<br /><br />Elvin, thanks for your advice. You're a real asset to the forum. I'm going to visit the dealer to replace the house battery with the battery he reccommends.
 

TOHATSU GURU

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Re: tldi warning light question

Take a look at Exide Batteries. They have a 1000CCA battery that weighs in at 44 lbs. And, your only a dumbass if you do not learn from your mistakes...your learning.
 

ziemann

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Re: tldi warning light question

To quote jshoes: "My own personal logic tells me it was a low #2 battery, except that I can't explain why the lites kept flashing when I switched to battery 1 without turning the key off. By not turning the key off, did I maintain the fault even though the good battery was now online?"<br /><br />This sounds logical to me. When I bought my 50 TLDI, I bought the biggest Interstate battery I could find purely by accident (because I run so many electronics). I am glad I did. I could have easily made the same mistake as some others here. You are not a dumbass....
 

jshoes52

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Re: tldi warning light question

Z-man, what are the specs on your Interstate? My starting battery is 1000mca and 800cca. I've yet to find an amp/hour rating written on a battery, or even at Exide Battery's website specifications page, yet Tohatsu specs the 100ah or 120 ah battery.<br /><br />Thanks
 

Silvertip

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Re: tldi warning light question

The power supply error is typical for a low battery condition. I don't know if the ECM for that motor has an error code memory, but I suspect it does. ECMs have a tendency to look at the first error as a "fluke" if it only lasts for a few seconds. It may signal an error as you experienced, but it doesn't necessarily store the code. If it happens again it may set the error code. If it doesn't occur again after a given period of time it automatically erases. That would account for the self-correction you experienced. I feel you don't have a problem, other than trying to start an engine with a low battery. Speculation on my part.
 

khc1970

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Re: tldi warning light question

Not an expert but common sense dictates that Tohatsu' recommendation of a 100ah battery has some safety built in. As we all know 'others'factors affect the output of a battery, i.e., cable length, cable thickness, temperature, battery condition. Without knowing what parameters Tohatsu used, I hasten to uess maybe 10%-20% of reserve. <br /><br />I have started my 90 with a 85ah. The cable is only just over 1.5 metre long, and the battery is less than 12months old, I use a battery conditioner to charge/discharge it every month in additions of the boat being used. However, if cable is longer and thinner and battery condition isn't that good than you have less chance of starting the outboard without any warning. If you have a even smaller battery, said 35/50 you have little chance of starting without any warning lights.
 
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