TLDI vs e-tec

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When I was shopping a while back I was not able to find a TLDI (50 tiller) and wound up with an e-tec. <br /><br />Does anyone have experience with both who can offer an opinion on how they compare?<br /><br />Thanks.
 

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Re: TLDI vs e-tec

Outboard Non-repair topic.
 

mallardjusted

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The reason you couldn't find a TLDI 50 hp tiller is that they don't sell them!!!! ... at least new ones.<br /><br />After a lot of research, I was going to buy the TLDI, until I found out about no kits for tillers on the 50. Since then I bought the 50 HP Yamaha 4-stroke. So far I'm happy.<br /><br />For comparisons, though, my neighbor recently bought the eTech 50 remote. He's happy as well, and I've seen and heard his new o/b run. From all the info I've seen, all 3 of the above are good motors. The TLDI and eTech should weigh about the same. The TLDI has been around for several years with very few problems. While the etech is somewhat newer, it has received good reviews. Both should get good fuel economy, and the eTech is rated a little better for emissions.<br /><br />Since you already have the eTech, let us know how you like it!
 

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How do they compare? Well, for one thing, you can get a tried and true, reliable unheralded tldi for about $2k less than one of those brand new technology e-tecs with the gonzo marketing campaign.
 

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Actually, I was going to mention pricing, but forgot. For the 50hp, the TLDI is about $500 less in our area. But since you can't get the tiller, it really doesn't compare. There may be more of a differene in price with the larger HP models ....
 
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Well, I like the e-tec. It is a 2 cyl motor so there's a little vibration but it's really pretty smooth. I replaced a conventional 2 stroke with it and it's far superior. <br /><br />You guys are right about the price. The e-tec was salty.
 

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But his question was E-tec vs. TLDI. <br /><br />You will see a lot of hype regarding E-tec here. There is no question that E-tec is living up to what BRP promised. It is a great system that is entering its 3rd year of production. It has proven reliable.<br /><br />But, there is a small, yet faithful minority here that have real life experience with the Nissan/ Tohatsu TLDI's. 50%+ of those that post pro E-tec here, don't own one. It's not a slam on E-Tec, but it drives me nuts seeing posts from folks that are regurgitating what they saw on the video or read. No question E-Tec is fantastic- I would consider one if I was in the market right now- if the price wasn't so high. <br /><br />I had to make the same decision. E-tec vs. TLDI. Locally here, there was almost an $1800.00 difference between a Nissan 50 TLDI and a 50 E-tec. For me it was a no brainer. <br /><br />I have now had my Nissan 50 TLDI for 2 years and about 200 hours. I still have the spark plugs that came with the motor in it. I pulled them the other day and they were clean. I run Klotz synthetic in it- no smoke- clean burn. <br /><br />I run it wide open most of the time going from one part of the large reservoirs here to the other. It has never coughed or sputtered. It has always started immediately and will idle for many many hours on end while fishing. You can set its idle to the exact speed for trolling you want, and never worry about gas. I have a 12 gallon fuel tank on my boat...and can go several days before worrying about fuel. At wide open (5600 rpm's the way I have it propped), I am guessing about 5 gallons an hour (very rough estimate). I have never checked it at lower RPM cruising speed- but I know based upon traveling the same distance at lower RPM's (like 5000 rpm's) in rough conditions, it uses quite a bit less fuel. <br /><br />At the time, I bought based upon price- and a fantastic dealer. There are 4 dealers near me that carry Nissan or Tohatsu, and only one of the four was a crappy dealer (and he sold Evinrude as well). <br /><br />Nissan/ Tohatsu have never had a major recall/ problem with their TLDI's. They were extremely well tested before being sold to the public market, and that has paid off for them. <br /><br />I cannot say enough positive about my 50 TLDI. It has far exceeded my expectations. <br /><br />Bottom line: Both the E-Tec and the TLDI are great engines. Let price and the quality of dealer dictate your decision. <br /><br />Good luck!!!!!!
 

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The topic was how the TLDI 50hp tiller model compared with the E-tec 50hp tiller model. The TLDI does not come with a tiller kit, so they can't be compared.<br /><br />I agree the TLDI is great proven technology. If their marketing considered matching it to a tiller kit, I wouldn't hesitate recommending it.<br /><br />Here in the Puget Sound area, the prices I have seen have the TLDI 50 are about $500 cheaper than the E-tec50 or Yamaha 50 4 stroke.
 

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Z-Man MT, the oil you burn and plugs being clean is not a good reason to keep the same plugs in....The resistance of the plug gets greater with use and becomes harder for the ignition system to fire the plug and WILL break down an ignition component over a period of time.<br />They should be changed every year if you are running 100hrs worth.
 

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You can put a tiller on a TLDI as it uses the same basic motor as the carbed version.<br /> For the life of me I cant figure out why Tohatsu doesnt sell one.
 
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I was impressed with what I heard about the TLDI. If I had been able to find a 50 when i was fist looking in fall'03, I would have saved myself a ton of grief (Got a merc 2 stroke at the time which i traded for the etec last year). <br /><br />I found out later (from a local Nissan dealer)there is a conversion kit to make the 40 a 50. If i had know that, i would have bought the TLDI. In our market i could have gotten the motor plus the conversion for about $1,500 less than I paid for the e-tec. <br /><br />Previous poster was on the right track. Nissan/Tohatsu marketing could use some work. Nowadays, other mfgrs are selling a lot of larger tiller models (even 77-90). But it's more than that. Even the graphics on the Nissan are awful. Looks like they're from the early 80s. Too bad. they make a great motor. <br /><br />Thanks for the info, guys! Bill
 

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Walleyehead-<br /><br />Talk to me on this one...not to hijack this thread...<br /><br />I may actually learn something today! :-D<br /><br />The plugs in my TLDI are original- checked and gapped properly. They are platinum NGK's. No missing etc... I can see the resistance increasing if they are oil coated, have an increased gap, or are in general worn. Explain why this would be an issue with the ignition system? From the perspective of the running condition of the motor and look of the plugs, I just left them in instead of changing them.<br /><br />Not trying to be arguementative at all...actually am hoping to learn something new here... :)
 

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A spark plugs heat range is the rate at which it disapates heat...The longer "any" plug is exposed to hot, running conditions (normal temp), the plug slowly begins to lose it's ability to transfer heat and creats a higher resistance with-in the plug. This higher resistance causes more of a load on the coils, powerpack and stator. The charge will eventually, seek a path of less resistance...that's when problems begin to occure that you cannot reverse.<br />I have seen quite a few engines with running issues that I've fixed with new plugs alone, even though the old plugs looked good, internally they had broken down to the point they would mis-fire at certain operating conditions. Even without obvious wear, a plug still loses it's ability to transfer the charge effectively and dissapate heat as needed.<br />Plugs are being manufactured with better and better materials all the time, and they are getting better, but they aren't bullet-proof yet.
 

ziemann

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Walleyehed-<br /><br />Thanks for the info! I have been just too cheap to replace the NGK PZFR6H's that came with the outboard since they are $12-$15 each (ouch!). I figured that if it ran well and they were clean, I would be fine. <br /><br />I will change them this weekend! Thanks!!!!!<br /><br />This is why I love these boards. Just when you think you know alot of the answers, someone here has another gold nugget of great info!
 

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Thanks from me as well.<br />Confirm please when to change plugs.<br />Every 100 hours, right?
 
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