Titling a Trailer in Illinois

QC_Rinker

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I bought a small fishing boat with a trailer from a neighboring state that doesn't require titles for the trailer - I am not trying to title/register it in Illinois. The trailer has no VIN - the DMV gave me paperwork for titling it as if I had built it. Has this happened and how did you resolve - is it possible to bring a trailer in to the state legally that was built by a previous owner?

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109jb

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

They changed the rules because so many stolen trailers were being titled as homemade. You are even supposed to photo document the building process now and you have to have a state trooper inspect the trailer to insure it really is homemade to title it that way. Sorry to say, but you really are kind of hosed.

I would look into titling it in another state first and then transferring it to Illinois
 

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It sounds to me like Illinois is worse than even PA when it comes to trailers. Here in NJ they don't title trailers at all, all you have is a registration card. I'd venture to guess that more than half of the trailers are registered as homemade. When you go to buy a trailer, no one ever has a title for them, the process they make you go through to transfer a trailer the right way pretty much forces everyone to just call it homemade. Years ago if you bought a new trailer, they took the certificate of origin in lieu of a new registration. When you sell it, you have nothing but a registration card. Those often got lost by people who had old boats just sitting not used or registered for many years. If I sell a boat to someone in PA, they need a title that we in NJ just can't provide. There's nothing illegal about it, we just don't title trailers. Besides, what are the chances a 30 year old boat trailer that's sitting in some old guys yard is stolen? I've got four trailers which I bought new now, not a one has a title, all are registered as homemade from day one. None are stolen. There's just no good reason to make people jump through hoops like some states do for a simple boat trailer. It's not like thieves are chomping at the bit to rip off old trailers either.

If your in a titled trailer state, your best bet is to go register the thing in another state and bring it in as a transfer. I believe Nevada may be an option. You may want to give one of the title services a call and see if they can help. I've used ITS Title Services in Nevada before with good results.
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

The trailer was registered in Iowa, but the lack of vin is a problem. I was getting the feeling I am hosed, but it is over 40 years old and not an expensive lesson. I am beginning to think it may be less expensive to look for a titled illinois trailer (or even something from Harbor Freight...if those are even transferable to Illinois)...
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

I always get my tags from maine through this site: http://www.mbi-trailers.com/

read up on the site, older trailers don't need titles. This was the cheapest and easiest route for me to tag all my trailers.
 

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The trailer was registered in Iowa, but the lack of vin is a problem. I was getting the feeling I am hosed, but it is over 40 years old and not an expensive lesson. I am beginning to think it may be less expensive to look for a titled illinois trailer (or even something from Harbor Freight...if those are even transferable to Illinois)...

Yeah, I'm in Iowa and they only title trailers over a certain weight, I think 2500 lb. But the VIN number (if there was one) should be on the registration certificate.
 

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It doesn't have a VIN...looking for another trailer at this point that would have a VIN...
 

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Most states will just assign it a new VIN number, or consider it homemade.
I'll just never understand why they give folks such a hard time with something that old.
I sold a trailer to a guy in PA about a year ago, PA requires a title, all I had for the trailer was a NJ registration, even though the registration showed the VIN number and it was currently registered in NJ, they refused to give him a registration on it. It wasn't stolen, I bought it new, the state here took the original certificate that came with it when I first registered it.
It had been registered by me since 1986 yet they wouldn't accept that. He finally came to NJ and just put NJ registration on it.

It does sound like your not out much if you can't use that trailer, plus, you could always just sell it to an out of state buyer and get some of your money back.

Also, if it's got no VIN, why not just call it homemade and get tags? I'm sure IL has some provision for assigning it a VIN and registering a homemade trailer?

What would someone do if they lived in a non title state and moved to IL?
 

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You might try and see if you can register it in Iowa. Kind of a pain, but once it's registered you can handle renewals online so no need to go back to Iowa for that.
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

Also, if it's got no VIN, why not just call it homemade and get tags? I'm sure IL has some provision for assigning it a VIN and registering a homemade trailer?

What would someone do if they lived in a non title state and moved to IL?

If it has a VIN then there is no problem in IL if it came from a state that doesn't require titling. It is only a problem if there is no VIN. Without a VIN, they would have to assign one which they can and will do for a trailer that is truly homemade. The problem is that they found that criminal would steal a trailer, remove the VIN and just apply for a homemade title. That is what they are trying to stop. I bought a boat from WI and WI doesn't even require registration on small trailers below I think 3500 pounds. All I needed to title it and register it in IL was a bill of sale that included the VIN and that it was from WI. When I went to the DMV they just wanted the bill of sale and a photo of the trailer and a photo of the VIN on the trailer. No problems. However, that trailer had a VIN that was readable on it. If it didn't, I would have been hosed.
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

Seems like this trailer might be impossible! No VIN and no Title - so far, the DMV provided a packet to me for a homemade trailer (requires that I made it and can identify the sources of the components) and the DMV state headquarters provided a paperwork packet for no title, but it requires a VIN. Looking into registering it in another state now...while I also search for a cheap trailer that is documented...
 

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Yeah. A few years ago it was easy but they changed it a little over a year ago. Now it is a pain. Good luck.
 

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I'd just go to the junk yard and buy $20 worth of something and show that receipt, tell them you built a homemade trailer from junk trailer parts you bought at the savage yard.
I do know that here if you tell them you build it from steel you had laying around they can't insist on a receipt for the materials. They can't prove what you had or have in your yard or garage. I keep any receipts that I get for bolts, paint, or any other item that could be used in a trailer build just in case.
 

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The problem is that a State Trooper is going to have to come look at it. They are instructed to look and see if it "appears" homemade. If the trailer in question could pass for homemade then you might be able to get away with it. If it has a frame that doesn't look like it could have been homemade (formed box tube, special fittings, etc.) then the officer is supposed to deny the application. For example, my EZ loader has formed box tube main frame components, special brackets for the rollers assemblies, etc. If you look at it it doesn't remotely look like a homemade trailer because it would take equipment that a normal person wouldn't have available. That is the problem. What they are saying is that if most of the trailer looks factory made then you need a factory VIN.
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

The trailer does appear cobbled together - talked to someone at the Secretary of States office and it sounds like it is likely we will get titled and a VIN, but it is going to take time (I was afraid it was going to take $ also, but it doesn't appear so)...I did look into registering in another state as well, but will end up waiting until spring to use the boat,,,
 

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Time for an update - so I filled out some paperwork back in October...and this month I received a call regarding the trailer inspection. The officer stopped by the house checked the tail light function and looked over the trailer...then applied a State VIN and my license plate will arrive by mail by ice out. Not at all impossible to do, but the trailer is a well made homebuilt that never needed a number in Iowa.
 

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Time for an update - so I filled out some paperwork back in October...and this month I received a call regarding the trailer inspection. The officer stopped by the house checked the tail light function and looked over the trailer...then applied a State VIN and my license plate will arrive by mail by ice out. Not at all impossible to do, but the trailer is a well made homebuilt that never needed a number in Iowa.

Hello. Im in the same situation you were in. bought a boat from.wisconsin. No title and no vin. You mentioned you filled out some paper work. What paper work did you fill out? Thank you in advance.
 

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

The Joys of Illinois Paperwork and they'll do Anything to get a extra buck from the little guy!

Here' the links to get forms in Illinois for Homemade Trailers. I'm doing this also, and I don't think you'll need VSD 190 form.

VSD 314
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/vsd314.pdf

VSD 190 Electronic Registration and Title Not sure you'll need this one. Looks like most is done by mail.

VSD 797
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/vsd797.pdf

Illinois DMV Forms: (All kinds)
Title and Registration Publications/Forms
 

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This link will help as a guide as to what is needed in Illinois. Be sure to take 4 COLOR pictures of your trailer. One of each side.
http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/092/092010100c02000r.html

These are the 2 Forms you will need:
VSD 314
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/vsd314.pdf
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VSD 797
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/vsd797.pdf

Both forms ask about the ?Body? of the trailer. ????
On form 314 I?m going to write ?Boat Trailer, No Body?
On form 797 I?ll write ?NONE? on line 1.

I?m just guessing. Seeing it only has a frame, fenders, leaf springs and an axle.

Plus I?ve been taking pictures as I built this thing from old parts picked up at garage sales here & there. I hope they don?t want receipts, caused then I?m screwed!

Sure hope to get this all done and completed before spring of 2013.

Be sure to VOTE!!!! And in Chicago do it often! LOL
 

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QC_Rinker

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Re: Titling a Trailer in Illinois

Looks like Kevin has you covered on the forms. Illinois does make it fun :)!

The forms make it sound scarier than it is...mine was homebuilt, but long before I owned it...I had no receipts.

Find a good dealership to appraise the trailer and make sure the lights work for the state inspection.
 
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