Tire wear on trailer

Gary H NC

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I have a 92 Eagle trailer and it is eating tires.<br />It is cupping out the inside edges of the tread.<br />I'm running new 6 ply trailer tires.After only about 500 miles i noticed the tread wear problem.<br />I made sure air pressure was correct.<br />I thought the axle must be out of align but i measured about 5 times and get the same measurements on both sides.The U bolts are tight as are the spring hangers..<br />What should i check next?
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

Wear on the inside edge indicates a potential axle or overload problem that causes the top of the tire to lean. With your trailer on a level surface, stand well back and eyeball the tires from the rear. I'll bet you see two things: 1) the tires tilt inward slightly at the top, and 2) the axle in the center is bowed slightly downward. If wear is happening on only one tire, that's a different situation and is probably due to a bent spindle or one that has a tow-out issue. Verify the boat weight. Although the tires may be able to carry the load, the axle may not. Axles for most recreational boats run 2000#, 2500# and the next jump is 3500#. They are not terribly expensive so if yours is indeed bent, its not an "oh my gosh" expense. Champion Trailers sells replacements made to order.
 

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Thanks Upinsmoke,<br />They look straight looking from the rear.<br />The wear is on both sides with the left side a little worse.<br />I kind of got the feeling the axle is bent,it looks more like a tow-out issue.<br />I'll have to try to find out if anything is stamped on the axle as far as weight rating.<br />The axle is made with a downward bow in the center so its kind of hard to look at and know if it's too much of a bow...<br />It tracks good behind the truck. It may be just too much boat for it... :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

If the bow is downward, either the axle was installed upside down or it's bent. Axles are manufactured as "straight" or "cambered". Cambered axles should bow up in the middle which puts the wheels tilted OUT at the top. As the trailer is loaded the wheels will/should sit straight. Again, if the axle is indeed bowed down, its likely bent. That however would cause wear on the inside of the tread but should not cause cupping. Cupping is a "tow" issue but it could be worsened by a bent axle.
 

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The axle is made with a downward bow so the keel misses it.Some great engineering from Eagle trailers i guess..<br />I think this trailer was really made for a bass boat because the bow stop is really low.<br />The wear on the inside tread is like a feathered edge....I could leave as is and replace tires every two years..
 

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I've seen many boat axles manufactured with a downward bow myself, just for keel clearance as you stated. <br /><br />I presume we're talking about the boat/trailer combo in your avatar pic? If yes, it looks to me that you may be a bit overweight for that trailer. Need to verify this before you assume a bent axle. If you can't find a weight capacity decal/plate on the trailer, inspect every inch of the axle itself...many axle manufacturers will rivet a spec plate directly to the axle with some weight and/or model numbers. But in your avatar pic I can see what just might be the capacity plate for the trailer? What's that light rectangular spot facing the keel just behind your spare tire? And if you find capacity info, it is useless if you haven't physically weighed the boat yourself...don't rely on any published dry weights to estimate this.<br /><br />Also, I'm not sure exactly what you measured, but toe is pretty easy to check. Measure distance between the front edge of both wheel rims. Now measure distance between the rear edge of both wheel rims. Should be the same. That same method doesn't work so good when measuring for camber (tops of wheels tipped in) due to keel interference, but you can check the same with a bubble level against the tires (parked on level ground obviously) to see if the tops of your wheels are tipped in while the boat is on the trailer. Now check bubble level again with boat OFF the trailer and see if the camber relaxes when the load is relieved. That'll tell you if you may have excessive axle flex under weight that is tipping your tires in.<br /><br />About 20 years ago I recall Dad having the same tire-eating problem with a boat trailer of his...premature wear on the inner tire treads. He used to load the boat with huge amounts of luggage, food, and gear as an extension of the trunk of his car for family camping/fishing vacations.<br /><br />After the last of the kids moved out of the house and it was just Mom & Dad travelling with the boat, there was no more need to load the boat with gear since the back seat was suddenly available! And just like magic, his tires completely stopped the uneven wear problem. That was no coincidence...I believe he's now within his acceptable trailer capacity weight without having all the crap in the boat.
 

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Craze1, That spot behind my spare tire is just the Eagle emblem that is faded off.I called the guy who used to own the trailer(i kept his name off the old title)..He said he had a 19ft ChrisCraft on that trailer.<br />Eagle trailer's web site shows the bow down axle in two weight classes.I need to weigh the rig then find the numbers on the axle..<br />The Starcraft feels like a heavy boat.I guess more investigation is needed.
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

I had the same problem and took it to an alignment shop here in town. They strapped the trailer down on the rack, put jacks to the axel and aligned the tires that way. The boat was on the trailer at the time. <br /><br />After the alignment I have about 1k miles on without any noticable wear to the tires.<br /><br />Good Luck.
 

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Looking at Eagles web site i have a 2700 or 3700 pound rated axle.I will have to email them the VIN to find out.Plus they can tell me exactly what model boat the trailer was made for.<br />Thanks RetNav...How did they align it? Loosen the u bolts and adjust?
 

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Sounds like they simply used hydraulic power to systematically bend the axle until the tires were pointed the right direction....not uncommon. RetNav please correct me if I am incorrect on that assumption.
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

What size tires are on the trailer now and what is their rated load? What pressure are you running in the tires?<br /><br />I'd suggest taking the boat/trailer across a public scale to see just how much weight you have... you'll want to know pretty soon anyway.
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

205-75-D14 6 ply rated at 1760 lbs tires call for 50 lbs air..
 

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Sorry it took so long to get back. <br /><br /> Yes, they used hydraulic power to bend the axel slightly to correct the wear. BTW the wear on mine was on the inside of both tires and happened to new trailer tires (15") within a 300 mile trip.<br /><br />There has been no wear to mention since having it aligned.
 

Gary H NC

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Thanks RetNav,I'll call around to see if any shops here can do this..A new axle is 400 bucks..<br />if i have to go that route i'll just buy another trailer..<br />Bruce,They do say D on them..Northern Tool sells them.They are LoadStar tires load range C..not sure what the D stands for.
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

Do you have a Tractor Supply Company nearby? You can buy some heavy-duty axles there for a couple hundred.
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

I just replaced my axle on my trailer. I was adding brakes to a second axle and needed an axle with brake flanges. It cost around $160 or so. Less than what Champion was charging and no freight since they are local.
 

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I have a Tractor supply near me..I bet finding an axle with a 5 inch drop in the center may be tough.<br />Good Idea Studly...i'll give them a call..
 

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Re: Tire wear on trailer

>"205-75-D14 6 ply...not sure what the D stands for"<br /><br />That particular 'D' stands for 'Diagonal'. Your tires have construction based on diagonal wrappped belting (AKA Bias Ply) as opposed to Radial-wrapped belt construction (in which case there would be an 'R' in the designation. <br /><br />Load range appears seperately... (as you've noted).<br /><br />Trailer tires are one of the few applications where bias ply tires are still common as they tend to 'wiggle' side to side a bit less in the sidewalls.<br /><br />Modern construction techniques have now produced very acceptable trailer radials without the wiggle. (Goodyear Marathons are common).<br /><br />Are you running your tires at a full 50 PSI?<br /><br />If you jack a wheel up and wiggle it top and bottom, how much play can you feel?<br />(there should be barely perceptible amount of wiggle).
 

Gary H NC

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Yes,50 psi cold..Checked and repacked bearings..no wiggle.<br />I hate to think about putting a new axle under it..
 
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