Time and global warming.

rolmops

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If you have some time this week,go out and buy a time magazine.This week has a very informative and alarming article about global warming and what can be done about it.<br />Time is not left or right it is slightly right leaning centrist.
 

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doesnt worry me much. this big old rock has been both hot and cold at various points in time and will do so again with or without mankind.<br />oneday another natural event, we call them disasters but actually they are merely events, will occur and life on the rock will alter yet again. species will perish and others will flourish. its just how the rock bounces.<br /> its a matter of time, the event of christmas day in 04 actually wobbled the planet on its axis, a 10 mile wide asteroid coupled with the resulting eartquakes may actually shift the axis. evidence says its happened in the past and history does tend to be both predictable and repeatable it will happen again.<br /> lots of evidence that the O2 content has been 30% lower and 30% higher than modern history has seen. will happen again someday.<br /> I worry more about the toxins we place in the air and water that eventually we have to eat,drink and breathe than about global warming.<br /> earth will maintain its equalibrium, if it gets to far out it will reestablish a standard and continue on with or without certain life forms.<br /> I have more important things to worry with than mostly junk science.
 

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doesnt worry me much. this big old rock has been both hot and cold at various points in time and will do so again with or without mankind.<br />I have more important things to worry with than mostly junk science.
Ayuh,......... Amen........<br /><br />For Once,... I can say that I Agree with you rodbolt...........<br /><br />Well,.... I always agree with what you say in the I/O forums,.....<br />But,...... This is a 1st down here in the Cellar................................. ;) :D
 

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /><br /> I worry more about the toxins we place in the air and water that eventually we have to eat,drink and breathe than about global warming.<br />
Does't this all go hand in hand? Pollution does contribute to global warming?
 

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Atta boy rodbolt! I couldn't have said it any better. An airplane cannot fly the exact same path just like the earth cannot follow the same orbit around the sun. Each year the earth cannot follow the same path of its orbit. This is what makes our seasons vary in climate. Just common sense and a bit of understanding of the solar system.
 

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20/20 while our meager attempts to add to the green house,if it exists, effects. its mostly the human factor. that factor is we actually think, or many do, that without humans the earth would quit spinning.<br />it spun for millions of years before human life and will most likly for millions after.<br /> one krakatoa or one tambora event and you will see another world famine. those,geologically, were actually relativly minor earth events. tambora killed off thousands in europe and north america and changed the course of political history and most likly will again someday.<br /> I read an article someyears back on the effects of the Mt pinatubo event, very minor in a geophysical sense, that stated it released some 100 years worth of gasses and sulpher acids in a day.<br /> yet the earth actually recovered quite well.<br /> if ya wish to read some actual major events do a bit of googling and read some of the research. yellowstone park is a good place to start.<br /> 600,000 years or so that was a big one, not the biggest but apperently big enough to lay down a six inch layer of volcanic ash in missisipi.<br />will another event like that happen again? you bet.<br /> will it happen today? I hope not as I need to finnish my 115 rebuild by easter. but if it does I guess fishing will be put off a few years.<br />its a known fact the earth is actually cooling, as it cools the shell must contract. as it contracts the core gets hotter.<br />as the core gets hotter and the shell grows cooler it becomes very similar to an egg in a microwave. something has to give, enter the volcano.
 

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I thought the earth was warming up. They say the polar ice cap is melting more and is starting to move, or will move. Did I read that wrong?<br /><br />Anywho, me don't care if the ozone is getting smaller. If they quit shooting all them ships up through it, it wouldn't have all them holes in it. :D
 

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On a sidenote.<br />People, there is nothing we can do about what mother Earth is going to do, so don't worry about it.<br />I'm sure you have more important things to worry about, especially something you can't control.
 

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I read a Time magazine at the Barber shop and it was chocked full of why it was GWB's fault that American is falling behind in research.<br /><br />It specifically blamed him because of his stance on stem cell research and global warming. Guess they forgot the other jillion areas of study. :rolleyes: <br /><br />Ken
 

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rodbolt <br />Looks like most of us agree with you on this.<br />Even though most of us Humans would "Like" to think we are more important than we are.<br />Bottom line is, Mother Earth is going to take care of herself and doesn't care what we think! :) <br />She never has! We will adapt or perish.<br />Can anyone say Ice-Age? Moma Earth has said it before and is saying it again! :eek: <br /><br />Link prepares to move his safe secure rock that he lives under to another place on the globe! :D :D
 

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Yup, I too am absolutlety on the same page with rodbolt . . . on two subjects. The CAT 3208 is a POS and Global Warming :D
 

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Originally posted by QC:<br /> Yup, I too am absolutlety on the same page with rodbolt . . . on two subjects. The CAT 3208 is a POS and Global Warming :D
But the 1693ATA was a brute. ;)
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> But the 1693ATA was a brute. ;)
LMAO. Yup. 14.6 liters (893 CI) of dual overhead cam, 425 bhp monstrosity. I can still recite the overhaul part numbers for a 1693. 6N8760 rod bearing, 9N2875 piston, 6N8700 Liner, 5P8786 Head Gasket kit . . . My favorite thing about those was the special tool for adjusting the cam followers . . . a #2 Phillips screwdriver . . . mmmmmmmm, the good ole days.<br /><br />Poor old things have been passed up by a lot. But they were a legend. Now that's a proper way to contribute to global warming . . . and a proper way to disguise a hijack :D
 

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Yea, sorry about the hi-jack, but they quit making them horses cause the never broke down much and they could sell no parts.<br />Now, the 3208, 3406, and that ungodly 3408 V-8.<br />Now them, they can sell parts for. :rolleyes: <br />EDIT: Back to the subject, them 3408's can sure add to global warming though. ;)
 

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I know this isn't a 1-1 analogy, but I keep thinking back to the debate about acid rain caused by industrial emissions in the midwest affecting lakes in the Adirondak Mountains. <br /><br />Hasn't it since been proven that there WAS a negative effect and weren't many previously pristine Adirondak lakes severly affected w.r.t. fish populations? I know there are a couple of regular iBF regulars from the Northcountry; please comment, because although I have a strong impression this was the case, I'm sure you are much more aware of the facts & details.<br /><br />We may be talking apples and oranges in the acid rain debate as compared to the global warming debate, but the similarity of the arguments (as far as the people on each side and the question of what constitutes scientific proof vs. 'expert' scientific theory) and the subsequent discovery that acid rain is a real man made problem that can cause significant environmental problems makes me a little uneasy when it comes to the global warming debate....
 

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Once again we are seeing a tactic by the left to reduce your life style, eliminate your personal autonomy and make you beholden to the far left for your every need. Exactly what Lenin/Marx/Stalin did.<br /><br />Mount Saint Helens spews out twice as many hydrocarbons in one month than all of the industry and automobiles, in the state of Washington, produces in one year.
 

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Yeah LL, but you can say the opposite thing about DDT. It has been proven that DDT does not cause egg shell thinning, but I heard it blamed for the decline of Bald Eagles on the tube two weeks ago . . . Also, the fight against Malaria has been weakened by a lack of DDT, but hey, what's a few dead Africans as compared to the disproved belief that birds of prey have suffered . . . ;)
 

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Originally posted by QC:<br /> Yeah LL, but you can say the opposite thing about DDT. It has been proven that DDT does not cause egg shell thinning, but I heard it blamed for the decline of Bald Eagles on the tube two weeks ago . . . Also, the fight against Malaria has been weakened by a lack of DDT, but hey, what's a few dead Africans as compared to the disproved belief that birds of prey have suffered . . . ;)
Hey, I'm all for setting things as straight as possible. I deplore spin from any side. And if DDT has the potential to help reduce Malaria without causing any permanent negative environmental problems, I'm all for it. Sign me up for the 'Bring Back DDT To Reduce Malaria Movement'. <br /><br />I'm not presuming (nor did I intend to imply) I know the full reality of the situation, just noting that it causes me a little twinge of worry w.r.t. potential impact should some of the scientists prove to be correct.
 

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actually DDT is very nasty stuff, lucky for the US its been replaced by better stuff however africa cannot afford it, keep the DDT ban<br /> the global wrming I dont sweat, the acid rains and TBT and certain other heavy metal posins I do.<br /> there are some nasties that once released into the water shed or atmosphere never go away and once inside the human body the same thing happens. even the mean nasty PCB was found that if you keep turning the soil the sunlight will eventually break it up, unless its already in human liver, same as lead and mercury.<br /> once its in its in and will never come out and will kill the healthy tissues.<br />so yes we do need to closly guard our water and air, however I think we need to scrap the junk,politically motivated, junk science. can humans really alter the long term course of this old rock? nope it will recover.<br /> can humans poison them selves and needlesly kill in the name of profit? yep has happened many times in the past centuries.<br />should we go back to if it burns burn it and let the stack gasses go wherever? should we just pump all the effluent from all our cities into the nearest waterway and be done with it ?<br />read some of the diaries from residents along the river Thames in the 17 and 1800's.
 

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Quote from Rodbolt:<br /><br />"should we just pump all the effluent from all our cities into the nearest waterway and be done with it ?"<br /><br /><br />Come to Milwaukee, they do it amost every time it rains. But they send raw untreated sewage not effluent.
 
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