tilt motor removal?

[1975oday22]

ok i have tried numerous way without having to take my engine off the boat. i have one bolt that is takin out the other hides. i also dont want to take the side mount off as i do not have a hoist or any way to support the engine. and no, i cant borrow one from anyone or rent one either. is there another way to get to this bolt that is hiding or am i pretty much screwed ? its the back screw starboard side. i already have the front port side takin off

 

[stresspoint]

i hate to be the bearer of bad news , the motor has to come back off the hull to get that screw.
if you are good with ratchet straps and a trolly jack you will be able to get the motor unbolted and leaned back far enough get access to the screw with extension bars and wobble joints.
we did one in a paddock at my mates property and was successful , took some working out but got there .

side note , don't even attempt to take the side mount off , that is a can of worms you don't want to tackle , you can trust me on that "" been there , tried that .

 

[Chris1956]

A lot of the PTT motor screws are accessible, if you remove the starboard transom clamp. Stick a piece of wood under the engine, to give it some support while you unbolt the one side of the transom clamp

 

[1975oday22]

i hate to be the bearer of bad news , the motor has to come back off the hull to get that screw.
if you are good with ratchet straps and a trolly jack you will be able to get the motor unbolted and leaned back far enough get access to the screw with extension bars and wobble joints.
we did one in a paddock at my mates property and was successful , took some working out but got there .

side note , don't even attempt to take the side mount off , that is a can of worms you don't want to tackle , you can trust me on that "" been there , tried that .

what was the outcome of the side bracket removal? if i go that route i want to know that i can put it back without hassles. if not the end of august i will buy a hoist from princess auto and be done with it. lol

 

[IslandExplorer]

It does look like it might be easiest to just pull the engine off the back... It seems like a big deal but it's not that bad if you can get the hoisting situation covered. Thinking a cherry picker is going to be the best option with the least aggravation.

 

[stresspoint]

what was the outcome of the side bracket removal? if i go that route i want to know that i can put it back without hassles. if not the end of august i will buy a hoist from princess auto and be done with it. lol

bolts snapping from corrosion .getting the broken bits out with a torch requires the motor to be removed

 

[Chris1956]

You think pulling the engine off the boat is easier than unbolting one transom clamp? If you cannot get to the PTT motor mounting screws, that makes sense, however, if you can get to the PTT motor screws by pulling 1/2 the transom bracket, that is so much easier.

A lot of PTT brackets bolt to the PTT unit. These bolts (likely 3) will need to be removed.

 

[stresspoint]

its a simple job to remove the motor " however " OP has stated he does not have access to lifting equipment , so it will need to be done how we did my mates motor in the paddock.
put a jack under the skeg to support the motor ( a block of wood will do the job) unbolt and remove the 2 top engine bolts ,slowly loosen the bottom engine bolts , this will allow the motor to tilt backward , hook a ratchet strap to each of the eye bolts (tow hooks) on the transom keep loosening the bottom bolts in sequence till you have enough room to get a socket on the PTT motor that is un accessible , lift the PTT motor out and slip the new one in place , put all the screws in and tighten to spec. .
solder the wires and use glued shrink cover to seal them up.

have a couple of beers.

tighten the bottom engine bolts in sequence using the ratchet straps to take the weight till there is enough room to get threads on the top bolts , remove the ratchet straps and tighten all the bolts.

i left stuff out , but you should get the idea .

 

[1975oday22]

its a simple job to remove the motor " however " OP has stated he does not have access to lifting equipment , so it will need to be done how we did my mates motor in the paddock.
put a jack under the skeg to support the motor ( a block of wood will do the job) unbolt and remove the 2 top engine bolts ,slowly loosen the bottom engine bolts , this will allow the motor to tilt backward , hook a ratchet strap to each of the eye bolts (tow hooks) on the transom keep loosening the bottom bolts in sequence till you have enough room to get a socket on the PTT motor that is un accessible , lift the PTT motor out and slip the new one in place , put all the screws in and tighten to spec. .
solder the wires and use glued shrink cover to seal them up.

have a couple of beers.

tighten the bottom engine bolts in sequence using the ratchet straps to take the weight till there is enough room to get threads on the top bolts , remove the ratchet straps and tighten all the bolts.

i left stuff out , but you should get the idea .

and alot of cursing. lmao. ya i get it. i might go this route. but one thing, im not looking to replace this motor yet. goin to try to get it working. and if that fails. its time for a new one lol. thank you all for the ideas. at this point in time i will try the floor jack, and tie off the motor to the transome tie downs. i have 1000lbs ratchet straps so i will use those.

 

[Chris1956]

Gee, so you don't even want to try to remove one of the transom clamps. Good luck with the hard way......

 

[1975oday22]

Gee, so you don't even want to try to remove one of the transom clamps. Good luck with the hard way......

whats with the "Gee" thing? thats twice you have said that to me .... so i am wondering why?

 

[Chris1956]

I use "Gee" as a sign of frustration. When I think there is a path that someone should investigate, and they ignore it, I respond with "Gee".

You seem to really want the jack up the skeg, unbolt the engine and balance it while you work on it. If you can get to the PTT motor bolts by removing the transom clamp, my response is "Gee why not investigate the easier way".

 

[stresspoint]

I use "Gee" as a sign of frustration. When I think there is a path that someone should investigate, and they ignore it, I respond with "Gee".

You seem to really want the jack up the skeg, unbolt the engine and balance it while you work on it. If you can get to the PTT motor bolts by removing the transom clamp, my response is "Gee why not investigate the easier way".

easier way ???????????? , """from experience"" on an old motor that is not the easy way .
? are you forgetting the tilt shaft nut , probably rusted to the shaft ,OP finding a 1 1/4 socket or hacking it with stilsons or spme sort of channel locks steering , cable tilt pin realignment if it comes out in the first place ??? .
yep , real easy .

 

[1975oday22]

ok ok , guys dont get your things in a knot here. this delima that i am having can bloody well wait till i get a hoist. my gawd man. i think i even posted that i was going to wait. nope i wont be on the water this year, but who cares. as for anything being rusted. no its not. not at all. i have easily undone the steering nut, also the tilt nut, i however am not comfortable with trying to slide the side bracket off it not knowing if its going to kill the tilt tube or not along with many other aspects of it. so with this being said . thanks and have a great freakin day.

 

[Chris1956]

Stresspoint, I have replaced the PTT motor twice and the entire PTT unit on my Merc 135V6. I have done it by myself using a few wrenches, sockets and a wedge of wood and some silicone caulk. It probably takes 20 minutes, once you have done it once. A vicegrip on the transom bolts helps remove them with only one guy.

I have also used a "swingset" made of 2X4 and a cum-a-long to pull the motor off the transom, for transom work. I wouked by myself on this as well. I can tell you that IMO, removing one of the transom clamps is far easier. You don't need to remove the steering cable, control cables, wiring, battery cables, fuel line or anything else.

Remove 3 bolts on the PTT unit, 2 transom bolts, the steering nut and the transom clamp large nut, and you should be able to see and access the screw on the backside of the PTT motor. A lot of them are Allen Screws.

Most engines have a grease fitting for tilt. This lubes the transom clamp nut, or should. Greasing the steering rod greases the steering rod nut. The transom bolts should easily be removable. The only real question is the PTT body bolts. They are pretty thick, so they don't break easily.

If you still think pulling the motor off the transom is the easiest, well everyone has an opinion. Some are even correct.

 

[Chris1956]

If you do not have a wrench large enough for the transom clamp nut, you can use a pipe or Monkey Wrench. Hopefully you have one large enough for the steering cable and transom clamp nut.

 

[stresspoint]

hey no argument here , i have a work shop full of tools 1/2 hour job on a bad day ..

hey OP , looking at the wiring loom going to the trim motor it looks like it may have already been replaced at some point , might be worth the time it takes to un peel all that tape and check the connections under that , never know it may have developed a break in one of the joints.
you have a great frekin day too ...

 

[1975oday22]

hey no argument here , i have a work shop full of tools 1/2 hour job on a bad day ..

hey OP , looking at the wiring loom going to the trim motor it looks like it may have already been replaced at some point , might be worth the time it takes to un peel all that tape and check the connections under that , never know it may have developed a break in one of the joints.
you have a great frekin day too ...

ya i noticed that theres a mess of tape . there is also tape around the joints of the motor and pump. (thats why i reckon wanting to try to fix this one before buying a new one) i already took one bolt off the motor itself. its the one in behind that i cant get too as its tucked in where the transom bracket is . the problem i am having is that if i undo the transom bracket , and slide it sideways towards starboard. how easy is it to get back on to the tilttube and how am i going to hold the engine up so as it does not go **** eyed and snap something that i dont want it to ? this is my first outboard . i owned an io before this. much easier to work on......

 

[Chris1956]

Actually, once you remove both starboard transom bolts, the steering cable nut, all the PTT to transom bracket bolts and loosen the tilt tube nut, the transom bracket can usually be swung up to expose the PTT motor bolt.

 

[1975oday22]

Actually, once you remove both starboard transom bolts, the steering cable nut, all the PTT to transom bracket bolts and loosen the tilt tube nut, the transom bracket can usually be swung up to expose the PTT motor bolt.

will the one side not fall off the boat if i do that? this is what i dont want. if the engine swings port side after moving the starboard side. im screwed.