thumping noise

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Hello everyone,thankyou for letting me join this form.

I have a pontoon boat,with a 1985 eve. as we are out on the water running full out,every once in a while we get a thumping noise on the boat .I is like you hit a peice of wood or something,what would cause this,not sure if it is boat related or motor, i hpoe i poeted in proper form
 

Will Bark

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Re: thumping noise

Others will chime in but what you are describing is a worn clutch dog or forward gear or both; the feeling that you are hitting something is the giveaway. Good luck
 

Daviet

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What engine are talking about, model number?
 

boobie

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Sounds like a bad clutch dog and fwd gear.
 

atrok3

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just curious about this post. Would'nt the thumping or the feeling of hitting something the gentleman describe be all the time. If not why is that. A friend of mine at work has I believe something for much like this. He said it felt like he was running aground with his prop but he was in 12 ft of water. he raised the prop a little and it stopped. Also would"nt there be metal flakes in the lower unit oil? Just trying to learn all I can . sorry
 
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if its a tilt and trim model it could be a stuck trim seal. it waits till you get enoght push on the motor then clunks as it goes in
 
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First I thank you for your help,it is a 1985 evenrude model i do not know.I drained the foot in the fall no silver color or filings.
 

lindy46

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Classic sysmptoms of a worn clutch dog/forward gear. What happens is, the ear on the dog which engages the the ear on the gear becomes rounded/chipped and begins to slip off the gear. It doesn't do it all the time, just once in a while and usually at higher speeds. When it slips, the prop stops spinning momentarily until the dog makes a revolution and catches the gear again. Makes a "thud" sound like you hit something. The problem will only get worse.
 
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Re: thumping noise

Classic sysmptoms of a worn clutch dog/forward gear. What happens is, the ear on the dog which engages the the ear on the gear becomes rounded/chipped and begins to slip off the gear. It doesn't do it all the time, just once in a while and usually at higher speeds. When it slips, the prop stops spinning momentarily until the dog makes a revolution and catches the gear again. Makes a "thud" sound like you hit something. The problem will only get worse.

I thank everyone. for your help. does any one know appx. what the cost of parts are thanks again
 
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I thank everyone. for your help. does any one know appx. what the cost of parts are thanks again

List price for a forward gear is about $570, and about $120 for a clutch dog (look up your engine at shop2.evinrude.com). If you want to fix it yourself you might consider finding a used lower unit from a reliable source. Probably cost around $300 or therabouts, and a lot less work to just replace an entire lower unit.
 

scuba_redneck

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Re: thumping noise

Another option if you have a reliable machine shop relatively close to where you live, you could take the entire prop shaft assembly to them, explain what each part does as far as how it shifts and show them the worn engagement faces. Then ask if they think they can put the dog into a mill with a carbide bit and remove just enough material to eliminate the rounded edges on the "ears" of the clutch dog. Also if the gears need machining they can do that too. I recently had a forward gear and clutch dog resurfaced and it cost me only $40. Much better alternative if you ask me. Again let me stress that the machinist has to be reliable and have a reputation for good work on a mill.

If that option does not suit you, you may be able to flip uour clutch dog around and use the "ears" for the reverse side as your forward engagement "ears" and vice versa. That is if someone has not already done it and both sides are worn. If both sides are worn then you either have to machine or break out the wallet for replacements. Sometimes you can find members of this board with parts motors or check out the list of junkyards on the top secret files sticky for reasonably priced used parts. AOMCI club meets/parts swaps can be useful too if you have a chapter in your area.
 

eager525

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Ran across this post and wonder if I'm having the same issue. Had a thump in deep water with my 04 90hp Johnson. After that it occasionally make a screeching sound around 3000 rpm and the tach goes nuts and I have to back way out of the throttle and slowly put a load on the engine.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: thumping noise

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

eager525

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Re: thumping noise

Thanks for your input. My model number is J90PX4SR if that makes a difference. If the dog is the issue, could it have stopped there or could the problem migrated? Just wondering how big a hole it's going to put in my pocket.
 

Joe Reeves

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Thanks for your input. My model number is J90PX4SR if that makes a difference. If the dog is the issue, could it have stopped there or could the problem migrated? Just wondering how big a hole it's going to put in my pocket.

Eager... Migrate back to the previous page and click on the "Post New Thread" or whatever that hyperlink states. This will allow you to have your problem and question under your own title and at the top of the list. As it stands, you're buried under another member's post.
 
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