Throttle on 59 Seahorse 35

Wave1960

Seaman
Joined
Nov 11, 2016
Messages
62
So the boat floats and motor runs good on first stage. Went to throttle up and she starts dying. No rich to lean adjustments helped.So my options seemed to be. Start over with leaner carb ( 1/2 turn) and adjust from actual needle and not the connected version that only gives me 60 to 90 degree play.

2. New coil and points. ... has ok spark but not great.

Motor advances manually but I did notice that sitting in driveway off.... butterfly not opening much w linkage and a stop w screw just floating ...not loose..... buy not helping to push butterfly open. Is it in wrong location? Is it a governor?

Pictured
 

Attachments

  • photo271919.png
    photo271919.png
    196.8 KB · Views: 0

Joe Reeves

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Feb 24, 2002
Messages
13,262
In neutral, the engine has a safety built in via the shift linkage that prevents high rpms.... a feature to prevent a possible runaway engine scenario.

Spark with s/plugs removed should jump a 1/4" air gap with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP!

(Your pictured linkage... see below)
********************
(Synchronization Of Older 2 Cyl Engines)
(Such As The 28, 33, 40hp Etc models )

On the linkage that runs from the armature plate (the plate the coils & points set on) to the carburetor throttle roller, loosen the set screw on the brass collar that you see there and temporarily move it away from the armature plate/vertical throttle arm clevis (clevis is that thing the linkage rod slides through). We'll refer to that vertical throttle arm/armature plate clevis simply as the "clevis" from this point on.

Look at the cam that's attached to the front of the armature plate.... the cam that slides up against the carburetor throttle roller. You'll notice that there's a scribe mark on it. Also notice that at the top portion of the intake manifold there is a raised portion, that top portion forming a point. The carburetor roller should contact the cam and just start to open the throttle butterfly when the scribe mark is dead center with that point.

With the engine in gear (not running of course) have the armature plate advanced all the way (by hand) so that it is up against its stop. Now adjust the brass collar (set screw) on that associated linkage rod so that it is up against the clevis. It should be adjusted so that there is either no play, or just a hairs play between the collar and the clevis.

At this point, the armature plate movement is not advancing the throttle butterfly via the rod movement, but further movement of the throttle control, although the armature plate cannot move any farther, causes the tension spring at the armature plate to allow the vertical throttle arm to move farther which now advances the carburetor throttle butterfly via the rod. When fully advanced (full throttle), the carburetor throttle butterfly should be fully opened (horizontal).

If all else with your engine is as it should be, that should do it.
********************
(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs)
(J. Reeves)

Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Setting the high and low needle valves properly:

NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.

(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting.

(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
*******************************
 

racerone

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Dec 28, 2013
Messages
37,978
Simple statement.----That screw is often adjusted by a novice- because----" when it is correct it looks wrong "-----Usually at idle it has about 3/16 to 1/4" of clearance.
 

HighTrim

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
10,486
That is your Fuel Saver Rod. Idea is, when you get boat up on plane, you can back off throttle, to save on the fuel use, as it will back off the carb, while NOT backing off the spark advance. Joe gave fantastic advice as usual to adjust it.

Always disconnect the linkage of the needles to set and tune them, then hook them back up later.
 

Wave1960

Seaman
Joined
Nov 11, 2016
Messages
62
No Title

Carb newly rebuilt and adjusted as described above. Guess I just assumed that everything else was in correct location. ..... was reluctant to move it. But seeing as isn't opening more than 20 percent....

As us usual, awesome knowledge on this forum. Thank you everyone. I'm sure more questions to come.
 

Attachments

  • photo271963.jpg
    photo271963.jpg
    35.1 KB · Views: 0
Top