thread sealant question

richve

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Greetings All. I would like to install a fuel filter/water separator in my 1991 Maxum 1700 XR which I purchased late last year.I've read many posts about what thread sealant other boaters are using.A lot of guys seem to prefer Permatex Aviation form-a-gasket No.3 sealant.However,when I read their technical data sheet,it states for cleanup use isopropyl alcohol and if the sealant has been dried for a long time.Cover the sealant with alcohol and allow to soften overnight. I am confused as to why use this product when there is ethanol in the gas. RectorSeal No.7 appears to be a better choice to me as it's labeled for use with gasoline,alcohol,and a number of other chemicals.The only drawback is the thirty dollar price for the RectorSeal 7, which is only available in a pint can. Any thoughts on this subject. THANKS.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: thread sealant question

what threads are you sealing? are you bolting into a water jacket? trying to (i wouldn't) seal the threads on the spin on filter?
 

richve

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Re: thread sealant question

sealing the threads on the brass fittings. The inlet and outlet on the fuel filter /water separator.Thank you for your reply.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: thread sealant question

teflon tape where they are pipe threads..... no sealant on flare fittings
 

reelfishin

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Re: thread sealant question

Permatex #3 Sealer would not be my first choice for sealing gasoline fittings.

If your sealing threaded fuel fittings, the only thing that comes to mind is teflon paste or even tape. In most cases you don't need anything if the fittings are in good condition.
Permatex #3 is fine with diesel, but probably not the best sealer out there for use with ethanol gasoline mixes.

Try these choices for fuel:

http://www.permatex.com/documents/tds/Industrial/80045.pdf

http://www.permatex.com/documents/tds/Automotive/80631.pdf
 

F_R

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Re: thread sealant question

Tell ya a little secret: Locktite screw lock (blue) is an excellent thread sealant, nothing normally found attacks it, it is forgiving of buggered threads, and they don't have to be crammed in super tight. It also is easy to take apart if need be. Just a drop (or two on large fittings) and screw it in reasonably tight. It sets up pretty quickly on brass, so don't take all day.
 

reap182

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Re: thread sealant question

stopped using teflon tape, because it can come off and clog systems. agree with loctite. works great.
 

robert graham

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Re: thread sealant question

When I purchased and installed my fuel/water separator the instructions specified the white teflon pipe thread sealant that comes in the tube, warned against using the teflon tape because the tape can release "hairs" of teflon that can and will plug fuel lines/carbs, etc. Home Depot and Lowe's has the white teflon pipe thread sealant in the plumbing department. Works fine! Good Luck!
 

reelfishin

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Re: thread sealant question

Teflon tape can be used but you have to be careful. If it's all that's at hand, use it but don't wrap the first two threads, thus trapping the tape within the threads.

Any Teflon paste would work, Permatex is just a common brand found at most auto parts stores.

Loctite thread sealer works but can be tough to remove, especially with aluminum threads.
There is a thread sealer/thread lock compound used in the HVAC trade which is basically a cross between blue thread lock and Teflon paste. But as with blue loctite, it's not really recommended for use with alcohol products.

Years ago when I was dealing with pumping methanol racing fuel, we used this stuff to seal the threads on the fuel pump piping threads:
http://www.jmesales.com/item/103266/Gasoila-2-Oz-Tube-Soft-Set-Thread-Sealant-W-Teflon.aspx

Keep in mind that the alcohol content in gasoline will have only a minor effect on these sealers, Loctite 242 would loose say 5% of it's strength when used with ethanol, but that test is only at 100 hours. There's a huge difference in sealing E-10 or E-15 vs. pure alcohol, ethanol, or methanol fuel.

I use Permatex thread sealer, or which ever brand I happen to find first, I've never had a problem. Keep in mind that in most cases we're sealing soft aluminum threads to a harder brass or steel nipple, which if tightened properly would most likely seal with no sealer. The purpose of Teflon Paste is to lube the threads and to seal any imperfections just in case there may be any. I would also think that Teflon paste would have some benefit when dissimilar metals are used since it does help prevent corrosion too.
 

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Re: thread sealant question

well now that you folks mention it I did assume that someone knew how to properly use teflon tape (which isn't as obvious as it seems) so that it could not get into the system..... I personally prefer the tape and have used it for all kinds of petroleum for years but for the less experienced teflon paste could be a better choice.....

I would caution against thread locker of any kind where it is not needed..... I have been on the water too many times fixing something with a rusty old pair of pliars, a multi tool, and metal bracket for a hammer...
 

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Re: thread sealant question

Good move, that water separator. While the Scout had one installed I added a fuel valve this past fall to make winterization chores easier.

My choice was a thread sealant paste designed to resist breakdown from contact with gasoline.

Two other items of note, richve.

1) Use good quality fuel system clamps, not cheeseball hardware store spec.

2) Use two clamps per fitting as directed by ABYC, USCG, Transport Canada TP 1332E, etc. etc marine standards.

I reversed them as shown here in order to get close side-by-side installation. (Yeah, my wiring harness needs some re-thinking. I don't like the close proximity to the fuel lines...)

fuelvalve_reduced.jpg


Extra points to you if you noticed the blanked off alternate inlet is sealed with teflon tape. Not sure if this was a dealer install or previous owner effort but this spring I'll replace that with the paste too.
 

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Re: thread sealant question

They do make a teflon tape that is petrol resistant. Comes on a yellow spool instead of the usual blue.
 

riverkeg

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Re: thread sealant question

Modern pipe thread for fuel applications should be type F (dryseal) and should not require a sealant of any kind. Also, some of the teflon products are not sealant, they are lubricants to ensure proper thread engagment. I would not use tape on fuel line fittings.
 
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