Thermostats????

Grassi25

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I have a 96 200 johnson. Last year while on a camping trip, I was having some engine problems, while diagnosing, I noticed the heads were really hot to the touch. I took out the thermostats, and was told that I didnt really need them.

I do live where water temps seldom dip below 50 deg. Do I need to put thermostats back in? If I don't would that cause any problems besides the engine taking longer to warm up in cold water.
 

DargelJohn

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Re: Thermostats????

You need thermostats. Not only for warm up, but also to maintain normal operating temperature which ensures proper fuel/oil combustion. Thermostats also provide backpressure so the water jackets fill.
 

bob johnson

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Re: Thermostats????

I think they are designed with a few aspects of outboard motor specifics in mind.

controlled warming and cooling of the aluminum block. not too fast, not too slow.

many people may GETAWAY with not using them, but they really dont knows whats happening inside the motor...just because the motor stil runs doesnt mean damage hasnt occured.

I heard some mechanics say a motor can lock up because the block cooled too fast around the piston.....

I know when I have mine out...i cant even get my water pressure gauge to register!! and nomally it will run up to 25 lbs at WOT!!

and the engine temps would even register on my gauge (120 degrees).. so my block never even reached 120 degrees at all while I was running with out them, which i did during the course of trying to trouble shoot an over heat issue.

Id try new thermostats first!! and maybe even a lower temp opening as well.

good luck

bob
 

Jayrock

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Re: Thermostats????

I had issues with my thermostats on the same make and model engine. I replaced them with a modified setup. Thermostats, springs, covers and seats from a 1989 70hp. Even after I did the mod, the temp was too high. I then modified the thermostat housing opening, a little at a time until i got the proper cooling water flow at idle. Digital temp gauge mow reads between 143-148 Degrees at idle. Besides, Idle is the only time you need the thermostats anyway. At running speeds they lift off of the seats, to allow greater water flow. Also, did removing your T-Stats fix your problem?
 

Grassi25

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Re: Thermostats????

Well, I am not sure that the therms had anything to do with it. It turned out to be my shift interruptor switch had gone bad. But, since then my list of problems have grown. Right now, my boat doesnt' have any power, it barely gets on plane then only gets about 4000 rpms. I am gonna test them and put them back in, I doubt they are the issue, but I have tried everything.
 

Jayrock

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It is very possible that running a cool engine at high rpm has degraded the sealing capability of the piston rings/piston itself. Do a compression check. Report back with the results.
 

Grassi25

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Re: Thermostats????

Ok, Here is a report. Since removing the thermostats and figuring out the shift interruptor switch was bad, I may have taken it out 5 to 8 times in which one of those times I cracked a piston, and another burnt up the rings. It was sept. when I throttled down and heard something knocking, I idled back to shore and tried to figure it out. After a little bit more running it started sounding better. I beleive now after seeing inside I cracked a small piece of the piston, not sure why???? When this happened I had not run but a couple minutes, and water temps were in the 80's. Anyway, that it went back to running ok, and I got back home. Now it sat till January. Fired it up in the yard found a fuel line leak and it started was sounding good. I thought maybe that had been the problem. took it to the river, ran it about 15 min at high rpms, and it sounded pretty good, except for a slight variance at wot. So, the next time out I make a short run, fish a few min and start her back up to move and she is grumbling, I idle back and do a compression check to find 0 on #2 cylinder. Now after a bad experience with a crooked boat mechanic, I am trying to get her fixed without losing any more money.

I have sleeved the #2 cylinder, and have close to 90 psi on all 6. I tested the thermostats that I took out and they both worked, I put them back in and they made a difference on how hard it peed. It now puts a hole in the ground like it used to.

I doubt that this will solve my main issue of no power. But I think, despite my grandpa's vast wisdom, the thermostats are a good thing.

We had trouble with the timing, now we think we have that fixed, It barely planes out, then only runs about 4000 rpms. Trying to figure out if its fuel or something in the ingnition system.

I dont' know what happened in that cylinder, but I doubt it was taking the therms out. It was the hottest time of the year when it cracked the piston.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Thermostats????

Cold seizing does not mean the weather must be cold for it to happen. When an engine is first started, the pistons heat up quicker than the block. Thermostats are installed to limit the flow of water through the engine so the warm up occurs quickly. Without the stats, the hot pistons expand at a greater rate than the block which reduces the piston-to-bore clearance. In severe cases that gap closes completely and piston damage/cylinder scoring or a total engine lock up can occur. Since the engine damage occured about the time the engine was run without stats you may have experieced cold seizing. Since you are now working with a rebuilt engine I suggest you rebuild the carbs. Lean carburetion can also cause piston and cylinder damage. Hate to see you have the same problem if the carbs were and issue and you didn't rebuild them after the engine rebuild. Lastly, engine manufacturers would not put thermostats (or any other part) on the engine if it wasn't necessary because that would add to the cost of the motor..
 

Jayrock

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Re: Thermostats????

Cold seizing does not mean the weather must be cold for it to happen. When an engine is first started, the pistons heat up quicker than the block. Thermostats are installed to limit the flow of water through the engine so the warm up occurs quickly. Without the stats, the hot pistons expand at a greater rate than the block which reduces the piston-to-bore clearance. In severe cases that gap closes completely and piston damage/cylinder scoring or a total engine lock up can occur. Since the engine damage occured about the time the engine was run without stats you may have experieced cold seizing. Since you are now working with a rebuilt engine I suggest you rebuild the carbs. Lean carburetion can also cause piston and cylinder damage. Hate to see you have the same problem if the carbs were and issue and you didn't rebuild them after the engine rebuild. Lastly, engine manufacturers would not put thermostats (or any other part) on the engine if it wasn't necessary because that would add to the cost of the motor..

^^^^Yeah, what he said. ^^^^
 
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