TCW3 Oil and Non Outboard Applications

[steam_mill]

Because I always have TCW3 oil on hand (24:1 for my '54 Fleetwin and 50:1 for my 2003 90 hp Merc). <br /><br />I usually use the same oil in my Lawnboy, Weed Eater and Chainsaw.<br /><br />I'm I doing any damage.<br /><br />Also, my irrigation pump is a honda. Thought it was a two stroke. Now I'm pretty sure it is a 4 stroke. Running premix in it for two years and still runs great...<br /><br />Comments?<br /><br />Are all honda engines 4 strokes. Engine is about 5 years old. Came with the property..<br /><br />Joe

 

[walleyehed]

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You won't do any damage by using the TC-W3 oil.....the question I have is the Honda....does it have an oil sump????? They did build some 2-strokes. Is there a valve cover near the sparkplug(s)???

 

[bob58]

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I think you can find a interresting thread on this topic HERE <br /><br />The outboard oils (tcw-3) do not have the proper additives to provide adequate lubrication of the higher temperature air cooled engines which will result in premature engine failure. 2 stroke oil that is blended for air-cooled used in your water cooled engine will cause excessive carbon buildup which, left untreated will cause premature failure of it. Follow engine manufacturer's recommendations for your air cooled tools.

 

[bob58]

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the answer is yes you are doing DAMAGE!!!!<br /><br />if the honda has crankcase oil (look for screw in dipstick). I would look into decarbing it before permanent damage occurs.

 

[gss036]

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This topic came up somewhere else and it stuck in my mind, so while out running around the other day, I read the label on a Penzoil TCW3 container and they said it was ok to use for other things. I also read the oil containers while at WallyMart and they have both types. The oil for Snowmoblies etc, specifically said not to be used in Marine Water cooled engines, so that in itself says something to the differences in the oil.<br />Personally, I am using Klotz synthetic motorcycle racing oil in my new Husky chainsaw. It is spendy but I think it is worth the xtra $ and one only uses such a small amount. I have a 25 year old Stihl saw that has hundreds of hours of use and I used whatever was available to premix, mostly the old-old(pre-TCW2 & TCW3 OMC outboard oil and it still runs great.<br />I guess I said all that to say, stay away from TCW3 for weed blowers, saws, etc.

 

[steam_mill]

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The honda pump does have an oil sump pump. When I bought the cottage, it came with this pump to run the sprinklers from the lake.<br /><br />Before I knew anything about small engines (outboards and others) I assumed that pump motor was two because it looked like a lawnmower engine.<br /><br />But I realized last year (did not use it this year at all, sick all summer) that it has crankcase oil.<br /><br />Should I just put gas in it and go. Tried some other websites for a picture etc, but don't know what model I have...<br /><br />Tx.<br /><br />Joe

 

[JB]

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Owner's Manuals for both Husqvarna and Stihl chain saws specifically warn AGAINST using outboard (TCW-3) oil. It will void the warranty.<br /><br />I blew up a Poulan saw a few years ago. The dealer told me that it was using TCW-3 oil that caused it to overheat and sieze.<br /><br />Gonna move this to General Outboard.

 

[andrewkafp]

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I wouldn't use outboard oil in any of good brand name saws, Like Husqvarna, Stihl or Homelite.My old Italian made Ryobi gets what I give it.. and works hard with no complaints.. But that may be just a bit of good luck.

 

[walleyehed]

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All due respect intended, but that is crap information........Sachs engines and components, by far the superior "chainsaw" type engines, recommends either their own oil, or any good TC-W3 oil mixed at 32:1 below 50cc, and 40:1 above 50cc. My family has been in the small engine buis. since my grandfather started it in 1934, and over the years, we've seen countless small 2-strokes, and NEVER have had any problem with TC-W,1, 2, or 3. We sold (still do) trimmers, chainsaws, leaf blowers, edgers, Lawnboy mowers, and not one single manual for any of those products say TC-W3 oil will void the warrenty-that in itself, is against the law anyway. It's not the additive package itself, it's the "lack of", that causes the problems.

 

[JB]

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Say, Walleyehed.<br /><br />Kinda going out on a limb, there, calling me a liar, aren't you? <br /><br />Is that what you call "all due respect"?

 

[walleyehed]

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Not you, JB....your mechanic that told you TC-W3 ruined your engine on the chainsaw (?). That, to me is crap for information. The small engine (These in particular) market is something I AM very experienced in, and can and will find the info to prove TC-W3 will do NO HARM to these engines. I may not be an outboard "Guru", but the small engine market of 2, and 4-strokes for power equipment is another story.<br />BTW, yes, I would be going out on a limb IF I was calling you a liar. I think we both know I'm not that stupid.......

 

[LubeDude]

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I think we are getting a little OFF TOPIC here! The fact is that you have a four stroke engine! Im sure its time to change the oil in the sump! Pump engines run hot due to the time of the year and the fact that they run under load while pumping! I think I would find out how many hours you can run before changing the oil, and use a good four stroke oil! Im sure you will be advised to use a non detergent oil, but I would use a 10W-30 automotive Synthetic oil!<br /><br />Oh, did you do any damage?? Not likely, the only thing might be fouling the plug, Change it, and run some Sea Foam through it to disolve any carbon that might have formed! Then use regular gas!<br /><br />LubeDude

 

[JB]

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Found this on another site. __________________________________________________<br /><br />UPS brought my Christmas present to myself tonight: a Husqvarna pole pruner.<br /> <br />The manual says:<br />- For best results and performance use HUSQVARNA two-stroke oil, which is specially formulated for our two-stroke engines.<br />-Never use two-stroke oil intended for water-cooled outboard engines, sometimes referred to as outboard oil.<br />__________________________________________________<br /><br />I may have overstated it, because it doesn't say anything about the warranty. It does say "never".<br /><br />Like most old time 2 stroke wrenches (including many small screamers) I did a lot of things wrong for a long time and got away with it. I also blew up a few, and learned to trust the engineers, Chemical and Mechanical, who designed them, to tell me how to do it right.<br /><br />Steam_Mill, I agree with Lube_Dude about your pump. It is a 4 stroke. Unleaded gasoline. Change the crankcase oil.

 

[DJ]

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JB,<br /><br />We all know that the makers of a product know absolutely nothing about them. They're just greedy capitalists using marketing scams to sell their own lines of accesories and lubricants. <br /><br />There is a difference in air cooled and water cooled engine oils. It has to do with the ash content. Air cooled engines need it, water cooled do not. <br /><br />Besides, who reads owners manuals anyway.

 

[jim dozier]

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It would be interesting to see what and how much goop comes out of the Honda crankcase.

 

[walleyehed]

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JB, I'm starting another topic for you to look at, and I will drop it at that. Air-cooled vs. water-cooled.<br />Kenny<br /><br />Edit: In Non-boating topics.......

 

[G DANE]

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I usually use the left 2% premix from the boating season in my honda 4 st. rider lawnmover.<br /><br />Makes it run VERY smoth and with the sound of a big displacement motorbike ( its 700 cc one cylinder 11 HP ) I´m sure it will do no harm.

 

[RatFish]

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A few years back, I used OMC TCW-3 gas mix in my small hand held leaf blower and killed the thing in less than a tank of gas. Since then I never use TCW-3 in any of my 2-Stroke, air cooled equipment.

 

[BW23]

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FWIW,<br /><br /> http://www.challengers101.com/EngineOils.html <br /><br /> http://www.powerchutes.com/oil.pdf <br /><br />My Merc drinks Merc oil!!! Gug,gug,gug...

 

[Hooty]

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Step nr. 1: Chit-can the instruction manual.<br /><br />Step nr. 2: Bypass all safeties. <br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty