synthetic vs.tcw3

Jet Set

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Is there that much difference? With all the additives that they put in like a yama-lube,<br />Does a snythetic make an engine last that much longer? What do you think?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Jet set
 

SeaHorse

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Re: synthetic vs.tcw3

Yes. Yes. Buy the best oil recommended with the same brand as your machine Contrary to what many amateur "oil engineers" may tell you, the manufacturers DO know what they're talking about. Yes, you might end up paying $1 a quart more but who cares? It's still the cheapest thing you can put in your motor.
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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I put a ton of hours on my boats and skis, I usually go 3 days a week and I mean all day.I use tcw3 in everything. Sea doo insists on their oil as most mans., do but they just posted a warning about people with supercharged skis not to use any synthetic oil in them even though they originally said to use only synthetic, so they claim the synthetic oil dosen't stick to the parts as well as reg oil , I guess they are loosing their butts to warranty work for having people use synthetic oil.all I know is tcw3 works for me.even in the 800 with rave valves rotary valve and counter balance shaft.
 

Jet Set

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So, I have 2 Kawasaki's, I should use their brand<br />of oil. Kawasaki makes a synthetic blend. I would think that it would be the best of both worlds, Or should I just use their regular marine 2 cycle<br />oil.<br /><br />Thanks
 

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Thats totally up to you, most companies don't make the oil they just put their name on it, and charge more.
 

Jet Set

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Jeff,<br /><br />What do you use. Sea Doo Tcw3, or what?<br /><br />Thanks
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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I go to wal mart and buy what ever I find at the best price that is rated tcw3, I pre mix my oil due to having problems with oil pumps in the past , live and learn. I do use 20 oz for 5 gal to 5.5 gal, and have not had a problem even with the 800 engine that uses raves and counter balance shaft and rotary valves. I was told by other people that you must use sea doo oil I never use it. I go through a lot of oil and I beat the stuffing out of my jet skis, I also monitor the compression and tops of the pistons every few weeks, Just as a matter of routine, The number one cause of engine failure is water ingestion, a small amount of water in the hull can become a serious problem if it gets thrown in the air by the flywheel or driveshaft,it ultimately ends up in the air and is drawn in by the air intake, this washes the oil off the rings and causes some of the aluminum to detach from the piston top and stick the rings. That is the item to be more concerned with, I constantly remove my seat and check for water in the hull when I ride my skis, Most sea doo skies use a carbon driveshaft seal this is in my opinion a very bad design, I remove them and install the carrier seal as it is a better way to keep water out, however it does require a little grease from time to time, or it can sink your ski in a hurry if it gets siezed on the shaft, But the carbon seal will sink you as well if it breaks and they do that all the time. I just towed in a gti with a broken seal last saturday, the hull was nearly full of water and the engine sucked down a lot of salt water because the owner did not realize he was sinking. As far as oil I was told by one dealer that mercury oil was the best , then a marine store warned me not to use it because it had a lot of amonia to keep down the ash and regular tcw3 was the way to go. The store owner who told me this sells both oils and gets more money for the mercury oil, I own a mercury out board on my fishing boat, so I started using plain old tcw3 with no problems and now I use it in my skies with no problems. but It really depends on your preference not mine, after all its your ski. I had a jet boat and used tcw3 in that as well never had a problem, ran with and without the oil injection worked both ways. Being from the days when we used to mix 1 quart of non detergent motor oil in our gas for out board engines, I just have a hard time adding vegtable oil to my fuel lol. I have seen what that stuff does in the fuel tank after a year of sitting, it looked like kayro syrup,mixed with tar. I had to use acid to get it out of the fuel tank.
 

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Originally posted by Jeff Walkowiak:<br /> I just have a hard time adding Vegitable oil to my fuel lol. I have seen what that stuff does in the fuel tank after a year of sitting, it looked like kayro syrup,mixed with tar. I had to use acid to get it out of the fuel tank.
Yes??? And you mean "WHAT" by this statement?
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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It was perfectly clear no explanation required,mineral oil vegetable oil or motor oil take your pick , I did and im quite happy with tcw3, however others must also decide what they feel comfortable with.It all comes out in the end literally. I don't reccomend any oil over another. All I can do is answer the question, what do I use. I personally do not care what oil even gold plated platnum enritched 100dollar a gallon super oil imported from mars on a space ship, what ever floats their boat LOL. But if it's tcw3 its for ME.
 

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Originally posted by Jeff Walkowiak:<br /> It was perfectly clear no explanation required,mineral oil vegetable oil or motor oil take your pick , I did and im quite happy with tcw3, however others must also decide what they feel comfortable with.It all comes out in the end literally. I don't reccomend any oil over another. All I can do is answer the question, what do I use. I personally do not care what oil even gold plated platnum enritched 100dollar a gallon super oil imported from mars on a space ship, what ever floats their boat LOL. But if it's tcw3 its for ME.
Not exactly an answer to my question, and somewhat Smart AZZ it seemed to me.<br /><br />What makes you think Synthetic is "Vegitable oil"?<br /><br />I take what you said to mean just that. The only oil I know of that might do what you claim is Castor oil, "Bean oil". All other synthetics will not gum things up at all, and would do a better job than a standard TC-W3 oil. You seem to be the one that looks at his equipment each year, most do not. Im not saying you havnt had good results in what you are doing, but there are better oils out there. TC-W3 IS a Minimum standard in that the oil only has to meet a certain standard, no more.
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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as far as the black goo in the tank goes, I can only go by what the customer said he was pre mixing whith his gas, as far as synthetic oils a lot are actually vegetable or mineral oil base sea doo uses both, But please understand after 52 years on this planet im not really concerned who uses what, it dosen't matter to me, nor am I interested in changing people's thinking on what oil to use, I don't care.. I only offer an opinion and if you noticed I don't make any suggestions when asked what oil to use, its up to them.As for being a smart azz here is my reply, I took your post as a person looking for an arguement, Since I don't care what oil people use or what they think is better or not, nor would I ask what oil to use I feel it would be a waste of my time to engage in an arguement over something I really don't care one bit about. I just don't care!!!!!!!!! So if there is a preson who believes this subject is worthy of debating please feel free, but im out.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by Jeff Walkowiak:<br /> as far as synthetic oils a lot are actually vegetable or mineral oil base sea doo uses both,
Well, after making a statement like this I can certainly understand why you wouldnt want to argue the point. I wasnt looking for an argument, I just wanted an explination why you were making that statement, as it was incorrect.
 

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Lubedude,<br />Go to your local Kawasaki mcy shop and check the various brands of 2 stroke oils. Many of them are private label synthetics blended with castor. Two brands I have are Golden Spectro and Maxima 927. Both speced for water and air cooled engines. I burn them in air cooled 2 strokes. Racers use this stuff for the ultimate protection that castor gives at high temps where synthetics flash off. Castor leave the "goo" when hitting temps where synthetic is vaporizing.
 

Jet Set

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I was not looking for an argument. I just don't know if we have truth in advertising anymore. I just wanted to from the guys that use the stuff<br />if it does what the manufacturers claim it does.<br />I just want to keep my ski's alive. New stuff is not getting any cheaper. I am surprised that someone hasn't figured out a way to charge us, as of yet, for the air we breath. I guess they do eventually if one smokes.<br />I just wanted to be an informed consumer!<br /><br />Thanks to all,<br />Jet Set
 

msd58

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Is the Seadoo oil 100% synthetic?
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by BillP:<br /> Lubedude,<br />Go to your local Kawasaki mcy shop and check the various brands of 2 stroke oils. Many of them are private label synthetics blended with castor. Two brands I have are Golden Spectro and Maxima 927. Both speced for water and air cooled engines. I burn them in air cooled 2 strokes. Racers use this stuff for the ultimate protection that castor gives at high temps where synthetics flash off. Castor leave the "goo" when hitting temps where synthetic is vaporizing.
Thanks Bill for the information.
 
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