steering setup problems

[cougar1985]

hey guys im trying to figure a way to hook up my single cable steering to a 1963 evinrude 75hp.i have to admit im stumped and frustrated.it seems i blew a few bucks on a clamp block kit that really doesnt work atall.has anybody hooked one of these motors to the newer style steering?does anybody have pictures of their job?i really wanted to use this motor but im just about ready to go back to the 90 (1982).will add pics soon to show the mess im in .

idont know im doing something wrong for sure if anybody has pics or good ideas im all ears.did i get the wrong clamp block or do i need to add something else or am i better off forgetting about it and going back to the 90.

 

[cougar1985]

Re: steering setup problems

do i have the blasted clamp block on wrong and maybe need one of those alumimun tubes you buy here at i boats?maybe this is the correct way to go?http://www.iboats.com/Front-Mount-S...87538205--**********.499321431--view_id.40159

 

[cougar1985]

Re: steering setup problems

figured it out .the best solution is the tand r marine front mount as even if i get the al. tube that im missing i have no place to bolt the clamp as the motor is in the way ,owe well whats another 200 bucks ,free motor my butt,lol

 

[F_R]

Re: steering setup problems

So, you say you had a newer motor. Think back, that motor had a hollow tube that acted as a pivot point for the motor to tilt on....a "tilt tube". The steering cable went through that tube and was retained by the big nut on the cable.

Now, your 1963 motor does not have a tilt tube, therfore nothing to put the cable through or screw the nut to. THAT is why you need the clamp....AND a tube that the clamp holds. You don't have any tube in your picture. Get the rest of the kit and you will be ok.

The front mount kit in your link is an optional way of doing it. There is a third way, a splash well mount, but you don't have a splash well, so we won't even go there.

 

[F_R]

Re: steering setup problems

figured it out .the best solution is the tand r marine front mount as even if i get the al. tube that im missing i have no place to bolt the clamp as the motor is in the way ,owe well whats another 200 bucks ,free motor my butt,lol

What do you mean the motor is in the way? The clamp mount is approximately where it needs to be now. The cable needs to be pulled back somewhat to go through the clamped tube.

 

[cougar1985]

Re: steering setup problems

What do you mean the motor is in the way? The clamp mount is approximately where it needs to be now. The cable needs to be pulled back somewhat to go through the clamped tube.

the picture is decieving FR,the clamp is about 4 inches left of the motor.im willing to try though first, as i could not drill any closer without the motor interfering in a couple of ways.i went to friends house to look in a parts book and relised i was missing that tube ,sort of a oh you idiot moment,lol.so at least to try i could proably just make up a tube of the right dimensions.i think it would be 11/16 od x 12 inches .as for a splashwell mount what your saying is i could mount the clamp on the flat well wood correct?though its not major deep there is a splashwell there or at least i think of it as that unleess you mean something else.

 

[TN-25]

Re: steering setup problems

In looking at an old OMC accessories brochure it appears that the connector mounted on the steering bracket for the push-pull cable system (not the tilt tube type that was used on 1973 & later motors 50 horse & up) is the same for numerous motors. The connector that is required is the same for the old 28, 33, 35, post-1970 40, the fat 50s of 58/59, 60 & 65 V4 through 1968, 75 V4 1960-65. The connector for the 80, 85, 90 & 100 (all to 1968) were different.

The tilt tube steering on the newer motors (1973-on) simply ran the cable to the motor, where it then passed through a special hole on the motor?s transom clamp and was secured there. From there a special part attached to the cable on the motor and fastened to the front of the motor. It always reminded me of a violin bow.

Your 75 does not use the tilt tube steering that is secured at the motor, it uses a cable that is secured on the transom or in the edge of the well. From the end of the cable you attach a metal sleeve that in turn fastens to the front of the motor steering bracket.




See the 2 pictures I have attached:

The first is of the newer tilt-tube type used starting 1973 (1974 motor shown)

The 2nd picture is of the push-pull cable that is secured in the transom area and uses a metal tube on the cable end to attach to the steering tab (steering bracket on your 75) on the front of the motor. That is the style used up to 1972 (1971 motor shown)

 

[F_R]

Re: steering setup problems

the picture is decieving FR,the clamp is about 4 inches left of the motor.im willing to try though first, as i could not drill any closer without the motor interfering in a couple of ways.i went to friends house to look in a parts book and relised i was missing that tube ,sort of a oh you idiot moment,lol.so at least to try i could proably just make up a tube of the right dimensions.i think it would be 11/16 od x 12 inches .as for a splashwell mount what your saying is i could mount the clamp on the flat well wood correct?though its not major deep there is a splashwell there or at least i think of it as that unleess you mean something else.

Forget I mentioned the splashwell mount. I only did so because it is included in the picture I posted. The 2nd picture that TN-25 posted is your hookup--once you get the support tube.

Not to rain on your parade, but has anybody ever told you the whole system is somewhat less than satisfactory? Truth is, the motor just wasn't made for push-pull cable steering, and anything you put on there is going to be a compromise. When you get all done, it will work, but not like it ought to. Even if installed "perfectly" you will have greatly reduced steering arc from left to right. Er, that is "hardover" to "hardover" in boat talk.

 

[cougar1985]

Re: steering setup problems

ya im coming to the conclusion that this may not work out as i thought.im going to give it the old college try then if all else fails its back to the 90.absolute last resort would be to put in a push pull cable system if i could find one.i still have a few weeks to play as its really only late april and boating /fishing never really starts up here till mid may or so.see what happens when you throw out old parts as obsolete!(steering system).

 

[cougar1985]

Re: steering setup problems

ok went to the local dealer and had a chat with him as he,s done several of these conversions and now i will be on the right track.doing a few things wrong but nothing that cant be dealt with after i get the tube.

 

[TN-25]

Re: steering setup problems

This is more of an FYI.

Back when your 75 was made, most motors used the cable & pulley steering setup. The push / pull cable system DID exist even in the early 1960s (I'm thinking 1964 90 horse) but was pretty newfangled back then. Somewhere around the early 1970s, the BIA or MOT, DOT or whatever powers that be, decided that they would no longer certify the old cable & pulley steering system for anything over 40 horsepower (or twin 25 horse motors). You could still get the motor attachment for the cable & pulley system for motors up to 40 horse, and given that the 75 shared the same attachment piece one could've still rigged an older cable & pulley boat with a large V4.

Here is a picture of the motor attachment for the old cable & pulley system for use on the 28 - 40 horse motors (plus most of the old V4s mentioned earlier in this thread).

 

[dirtrider92]

Re: steering setup problems

hey i had a similar problem connecting the push pull telflex cable to my johnson 25 setup for cables i just mounted the teleflex to the transom with a 2x4 and took a peice of gav. steel and bent it to connect to push pull to the outboard.

 

[frisco]

Re: steering setup problems

dirtrider, can you post a pic? I'm about to undertake replacing my pulley system (its trashed as is) and am trying to figure out how to attach my Johnson 33

 

[yorab]

Re: steering setup problems

Hey Cougar, for what it's worth I can tell you what I did with my 1963 75hp, though it may not work with what you currently have. I had the old cable system on the boat and I couldn't stand it. Went to the local boat shop and the guy had an old teleflex (or some other brand name) system laying around. He gave it to me for free. It mounted to the splash well as is shown in the bottom diagram in FR's post. I used the bracket that was on my motor that originally held the cable pulleys. You can see the bracket that I'm referring to in my pics and in TN-25's second post. Then I just had to connect the teleflex system to the motor. The end of the steering is shown in the picture. It has a threaded inner rod and an outside tube. I simply had a shop make a connector similar to what I have drawn. This 'eye' connector screws onto the inner rod and is locked down with the jam nut and the outer tube connects with set screws. The through hole then slips onto a clevis bolt that I mounted in a plate which is itself mounted to the old pulley bracket. The whole system looks similar to the right diagram in TN-25's first post. It is very simple and effective. The only drawback is that I must remove the cotter pin and disconnect the steering from the motor when I tilt the motor because there is not enough movement in the system to allow for tilting of the motor with the steering connected. However, it is a small inconvenience and I'm happy with it. I'm sorry that I don't have better pics, but the boat is not here with me now so I only have old pics. I hope that this makes sense.