starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

dancamp009

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Strangest thing in the world is happening. After pulling the whole magneto thingy apart and putting it all back together, I can't get the rope puller to engage the crank shaft when I pull the rope. I'm wondering if there was some sort of spacer that went up under the magneto cover that I missplaced or forgot to put on. That is the only excuse I can find for why this rope dealy won't engage. I'm included pictures of my set up incase it helps. The cover itself seems to be placed at the right level, very close to the bottom plate on the motor. I'm sorry for not knowing the correct terminology, but I'm a dummy who has no manual.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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dancamp009

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

here is the url to the pictures of this baby.
td-20.php
 

dancamp009

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

whoops, a little sloppy. Maybe I'll try again.
<p><a href="http://www.webjockey.biz/images/td-20/td-20.php">click here for pictures</a></p>
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

Beats hell outta me. . .I'll try again one last time. I don't think this mountain pic popup thingy is workin right for me and I took off my popup blocker. .
td-20.php
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

By the way, the problem is not that it won't turn. The rope pulls nicely, infact too nicely. There is no resistance at all. The rope gear is not engaging with the cam gear to start the engine.
thanks again
Dan
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

Okay, I can tie a separate rope directly to the cam gear and then pull on it, but I want to be able to use the top that fits on the motor with the rope integrated inside it. The top rope combination doesn't engage. this is what is WEIRD. . .
I must have screwed up something. somewhere. .
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

I can't view your pics and it's been a while since I had the recoil apart on a TD, but I don't remember them as being very complex. Take the recoil off (the "top that fits on the motor with the rope integrated inside it"). OK. In the middle of the flywheel on the motor you have a ring with teeth on it. That's what the pawls on the recoil will egage when you pull the rope. If it isn't there then you forgot to put it back on when you put the magneto back together. It's held on by three screws that use the same holes you used to pull the flywheel off. So you took it off when you pulled the flywheel. Did you put it back on?
Turn the recoil upside down. You'll see three spring-loaded pawls hiding under three rectangular metal plates. Pull the rope. The pawls should come out of hiding and move themselves toward the center as you pull the rope. They are what engage the ring on the flywheel. If they don't move when you pull the rope then they're froze stuck. Usually just old grease does that. Spray them good with WD40 or PB Blaster or something and pull the rope some more. They should work loose. If not, mess around with them gently with a scratch awl or something to work them loose. Don't go prying anything hard. You can see how the little springs pull when you pull the rope, so help them do their job a little by gently coaxing the pawls out of their dens with the scratch awl. All three pawls should easily and effortlessly move toward the center when you pull the rope, and return to their dens when you release the rope. It's a pretty simple and foolproof setup. I wish all recoils were as simple and rugged. MAN DO I HATE RYOBI WEEDEATER RECOILS!
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

Where did you get that coil spring in the middle? It looks familiar, but it certainly does not belong there. It is keeping the pawls from expanding out to grab the cage on the recoil pulley. They should go out till the other end stops up against the crankshaft nut. The 3 little pawl springs look kind of distressed too.
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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

PS, the picture I posted is the starter for a TD. Not to be confused with the newer one others are describing here.
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

Sorry for the poor advice dancamp and thanks for the save, F_R. Yes, the TD recoil works differently then I described. Listen to F_R.
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

Thanks you guys again for the help. I flipped over the springs and removed the big spring (where that came from I don't know) and it engages fine now. Tomarrow I'll try to start it and let you know how it goes.
I'll try one more time to get that picture displayed.
thanks again. and if that doesn't work, I'm going to keep trying, so please don't mind a few more posts on my part while I try to figure out how to display a picture in this forum.
<img>http://www.webjockey.biz/images/td-20/td-20.php<img>
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

whoops, so I'll try again.
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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

okay, i'll try again.
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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

okay, and again.
<p><a href="http://www.webjockey.biz/images/IMGP3370b.jpg">click here for my picture</a></p>
but I would rather the picture actually be included here in the forum without using a link. so, try again.
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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

man am i stupid
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<p><a href="http://www.webjockey.biz/images/td-20/IMG
P3370b.jpg">click here for my picture</a></p>
 

dancamp009

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

well, let me slow down and follow directions:
 

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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

following forum help directions to upload a file didn't work for uploading my picture.
lets try the
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Re: starter rope not engaging Johnson TD-20 5hp 1947

this is wearing on my nerves, driving me CRAZY
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