Sputtering Mariner watch video please

seaprobro2

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We have a 1988 Mariner 100hp, 4cyl that refuses to run smoothly. New plugs, rebuilt carbs, new fuel pump diaphragms, and clean, flowing gas from the tank have not cured our problem. Also, would someone mind giving a quick explanation of the 2+2 cylinder/ fuel pump accelerator system. Any help is greatly appreciated. This is a video of the engine trying to run: 1988 Mariner 100hp Sputtering - YouTube
 
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Re: Sputtering Mariner watch video please

That's a typical everyday lean spit.

That motor is idling way too fast, so your syncronization might be off, huge air leak, etc.

The lean spit can come from many places, but it always boils down to not enough fuel getting into the combustion chamber. Not enough fuel into the combustion chamber can be: scuffed piston, leak at the crankcase such as an upper CS seal, flange halves as well as carb issues (ruling out cleanliness, miss adjust needles, loose mounting nut, etc)

Oh, and the 2+2 is pretty simple.
Top two carbs have an adjustable needle for idle mix, so the motor only idles off #1 and #2. 1 1/4 turn is pretty standard, maybe up to 1 1/2 if this motor has a ton of hours.

The bottom 2 have a tiny hole that feeds fuel at idle for lubrication. It's not enough to change any speed really.

The accelerator pump trips when your throtle linkage advances to an engineered point.

The carbs have no major need for an idle circuit at plane speeds, so all 4 are feeding fuel now through their main jets on plane.

You can have a multitude of issues, form simple to fatal:
1) Sync/link is off
2) Air leak from some where
3) Still a carb issue such as missing hardware, not clean, installed in wrong order.
4) Scuffed pistons or worn pistons due to high hours

Easiest way to find an air leak is spritz some carb cleaner around the outside of the engine (pull your hood) while it's running. If it perks up in a certain area, then there's your leak.

More info needed please.

What are your compression numbers, in order?
What plugs are you using, and pics of the respective plug to cylinder location, to look at a burn pattern? Here's an example from my 1800 Honda VTX


You can see a noticable burn pattern difference here.

It's the first place I start on any engine: with a spark plug inspection. Then compression, then leakdown, then spark, finally a fuel sample.
 

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Man, can't thank you enough for sharing your knowledge. This motor has been a bear from the start. New plugs, trigger, flywheel, trim motor, poppit valve, fuel pump rebuild, carb rebuild, and others. Seems to want to run but has that rhythmic "miss". First time in water a couple of days ago, idled ok, would not push when throttled up in gear. Like it was bogging down. Rev's ok in neutral, but will not rev at all when in gear under load. Will do as many of your suggestions as I can tomorrow. Have to borrow a tool to check compression. Will post pics and info asap. Thanks so much, again, for your time.
 

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OP, what RPM was the motor running at in the video? Why are you squeezing the primer bulb the entire time?

To expand on the accelerator pump description, as the throttle linkage is advanced the cam depresses the accelerator pump which squirts fuel directly into the bottom two cylinder's transfer ports to help get them going since they have very little idle mixture and need a little kick start.

Agreed you have a serious lean condition going on but this has nothing to do with the accelerator pump. I'm thinking carbs/timing not synced or vacuum leak maybe both.
 
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Ok, here is a pic of the Champion L76V spark plugs with pressures. #2 has is obviously blacker than the rest. Continuing to do other things suggested. Dave, was squeezing ball because it seemed we were not getting good suction from tank. Just seeing if it helped.
 

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You know what's ironic is I also have an '88 100 hp and my #2 spark plug also comes out the blackest. I wonder what's up with that?

I think the motor runs on the rich side and has some fumes coming off plane. I have experimented with leaner jets. .050 actually seem to work better but then the idle mixture does not seem rich enough to make a smooth transition.
 

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Hear ya Dave. I would just like to know what it's like to be on plane!
 

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Have you checked your plug wires? Or are they grounding out interment? Start it up in the dark and look for sparks, to me I see in your video you have a definite miss. Buz
 

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OK, good compression, good spark, definite problem with #2 (from top) cylinder not getting enough fuel. Four new carb rebuild kits in today, see if that will solve our problem. Needed to be done anyway. Thanks for replies.
 

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Wait a minute.... Number 2 running lean? I thought that one was the blackest?
 

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Shouldn't have said not enough fuel. Meant that cylinder is not burning gas properly which is causing gas/oil residue to be left behind, which is showing on end of plug.
 
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