Some questions and some pictures

quackaddict1

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Gentleman, after my last post concerning my 28hp johnson and it only getting to 5000-5100 rpm with a two man load and some fishing gear (prop is a 9.25 x 11 and boat is a 16ft crestliner deep V), I decided that the first step I should take was to add a jack plate to get the motor where it should be (the cav plate was roughly 2 inches below the bottom of the boat). While I was at it, I reinforced the transom and replaced the wood with an aluminum plate, I added about 20lbs with the jack included to the boat weight wise, but the transom has much much less flex than what it had, there was enough flex in it that with the new setup, I had to lower the pin to the second hole instead of the third hole, under load with the old it would flex enough to run at a 2 hole setting, if that makes sense.
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After I installed the jack I got out on the water this morning, I used a couple of anvils to replicate a two man load + fishing gear. After moving the pin to the second hole from the bottom, the boat was noticeably quicker to plane, seemed to have more top end speed (no GPS) and wound out at 5300-5400 rpm. The motor would bite good doing everything except very hard turns at WOT, where it would break loose until I would straighten out or back off. At 3/4 throttle, it would not slip at all, and going straight and gentle turns were fine. There was a decent chop this AM on the big part of the lake, from my research I have heard that rough water and jacks can be a bad combo.

So my questions right now concern getting the motor to bite in the corners, and if possible still increasing the RPM's. I have attached pictures below of the current position of the motor on the transom, and some of the prop, I don't know if a chewed up prop will affect bite ( I would think so), so I have attached pictures to see if a prop in this condition will.

I have a couple options as of right now, the jack is set so everything is as low as it can go without reinstalling the motor, I can however move the jack out (make the jack wider by 1.5 inches or so) which should increase bite into the water. If you guys feel the prop is junk I can get a new prop, though I would change it to a 10 pitch to get more RPM's out of the motor. If neither of these are good enough I can lower the jack by reinstalling it.
 

quackaddict1

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Re: Some questions and some pictures

Here are the other pictures of the prop and motor position.


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Re: Some questions and some pictures

You're right to get the cavitation plate above the bottom of the boat. Your prop looks like a dog: get it cleaned up at a prop shop, and have it cupped. Cupping will give you the 'bite' you're missing. Any time you raise the cavitation plate above the bottom of the boat you have to use a cupped prop (start about an inch outward from the hub, a dead water region, and go out to max diameter, with cup tapering to zero fast at max diameter). The prop is easy to cup with a ballpeen hammer and a trailer hitch ball, but it has to be slight at the trailing edge, the last 1/8"-3/16" inch.



Here are the other pictures of the prop and motor position.


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steelespike

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Re: Some questions and some pictures

As long as your upgrading check out the Turning Point Rascal.Stainless
performance at aluminum prices.It should solve your bite problem and may allow even higher setup and better overall performance.With that nasty prop its difficult to know if your rpm is actual for that prop could be high or low.You could get it repaired and test then decide on the Turning Point with better info.gps would tell you if your setup is working well.
It appears your motor is trimmed in too far; though with that prop trimming out may make your bite problem worse.By the way great job.
 

quackaddict1

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Re: Some questions and some pictures

I have a new Michigan prop coming in a 10 pitch, that should give me a better baseline idea of what is happening. I didn't think that a jacked up prop like that would bite all that great, and from what I have seen the cavitation plate isn't all that high up on the transom, so I was kind of disappointed with the ventilation in the corners.

Steelspike, your right about the trim, one pin up and it would blow out almost instantly. I also wish my prop research would have picked up on the turning point stuff, at least then I would of had a couple options. I did run through its prop selector, and it quoted me a 10.5 x 11 prop, is it a normal thing to mess with diameters?
 

steelespike

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Re: Some questions and some pictures

Diameter usually simply follows design.If prop is intended for your motor diameter will fit.
 

quackaddict1

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A little update for you gents, Friday I got in my 9x10 Michigan Match prop. We went out for some fishing on Saturday, we had two guys, two batteries, a trolling motor, two tackle boxes, a cooler full of water, and some other crap with. My friend brought his GPS and we got 5700-5800 rpm and 22ish MPH, but it would still break loose in the corners. We took it home and moved the jack plate all the way out, then we took it back out tonight with the same load and prop and it was a world better. 5600rpm @ 22mph and I couldn't get it to break loose at all. I believe this is as close to right as I am going to get. I might still lift the motor to see if I can get some height out of it, but if it don't work I will be fine with it. I still managed to lift the motor close to three inches from where it was, and more importantly got the motor close to where it should be RPM @ WOT wise. I would expect with just me and a light load I would be in the 5800 RPM range.

Thank you guys for your help, this site has helped me a bunch!
 

bese6197

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quackaddict1 -

The information on your setup and prop selection are very helpful to me - Thank-you. I have the same motor and what would now appear to be similar setup problems you originally had. (Motor too low, problems planing with 2 people and fishing gear.) I did have a question though - Isn't 5700-5800rpm too fast for your motor? I thought the Max WOT rpm for the 28 spl OMC engine was 5500rpm? Please excuse my ignorance.
 
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Re: Some questions and some pictures

6000 RPM isn't too fast. Using a jackplate to offset the motor further from the transom has the effect in part of lowering the motor (I say, in part). You need to cup the prop!




quackaddict1 -

The information on your setup and prop selection are very helpful to me - Thank-you. I have the same motor and what would now appear to be similar setup problems you originally had. (Motor too low, problems planing with 2 people and fishing gear.) I did have a question though - Isn't 5700-5800rpm too fast for your motor? I thought the Max WOT rpm for the 28 spl OMC engine was 5500rpm? Please excuse my ignorance.
 

quackaddict1

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Re: Some questions and some pictures

quackaddict1 -

The information on your setup and prop selection are very helpful to me - Thank-you. I have the same motor and what would now appear to be similar setup problems you originally had. (Motor too low, problems planing with 2 people and fishing gear.) I did have a question though - Isn't 5700-5800rpm too fast for your motor? I thought the Max WOT rpm for the 28 spl OMC engine was 5500rpm? Please excuse my ignorance.

Every person I have talked to about the issue has said 5500 to 6000rpm is the ideal range. I have a couple hours on the rig since I messed with it and my fuel consumption has gone down and I have had no problems with the motor. I did see that 5500 rating though, not to worried about it.

Also, the load I have been running is a light load for the boat, we duck hunt out of it and we carry a ton of gear. I would imagine for most of that we will get less than 5600 rpm (what it tops out at now)

What do you think of your 28 special? I guess its considered a commercial motor, they seem easy enough to fix and mine has done everything I have asked of it.
 

quackaddict1

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And before I forget, a tiny tach is your friend when you mess around with this stuff, spend the 40 bucks and get the measurements you need.
 
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