Some help for someone new to ski's

fishguy

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Hey folks.<br /><br />Looking at selling the little runabout and getting a ski. <br />Reason is that the kids are nuts for tubing (and likely watersking and wake boarding later) and the family car just won't pull the type of boat we'll need by next year.<br /><br />I'm looking at something in the 3k-4k range (Canadian). <br /><br />I'm leaning towards a sea-doo, either a GTX or a GTI. Something between 94 and 97.<br /><br />Here's a couple questions:<br /><br />What's the difference between a GTX and a GTI?<br /><br />And are the engines as disposible as it seems? Every doo I see for sale has either got a "fresh engine this season" or just had $3000-$3500 worth of work! <br /><br /><br />With the boat we have, we don't make any long trips..just short spins out to a local island and spend the day there swimming, sunning, etc..<br />We have 2 kids, so even if I had to make 2 trips (5 mins one way) to get the whole family on the island, no biggie...the fun factor far outweighs the little underpowered runabout we have now.<br /><br />I looked at buying 2 older ski's (2 seaters) and we could all go at once, and tour around..but...twice as many things to break, twice as much gas, and the main problem - you can't tube or board with a older 2-seater if there's already a driver AND a spotter sitting on it...can you? Likely be overloaded and underpowered....*poof* there goes the fun factor.<br /><br />Does anyone have any links that show nice detailed pics and such for older models? (94-97)<br />Each one I see for sale, I try to find details on the net, but can't find much....I'm looking for details on gages, fuel capacity, stuff like that. Also, pics from all angles, and pics of the instruments..<br /><br />Where I live, there's next to nothing for sale (funny, since I'm only 35 minutes from the ocean)...most of them are 2-3 hours drive from here. And that's a long drive to just collect info.<br /><br />Most of the skis I've looked at (94-97 GTX's and GTI's) are going for between 3 and 4 thousand(Canadian))<br /><br />Lastly *whew*... <br />Throw me your opinions...Me, the wife, and 2 kids. (make it one kid, since son is 14 and has found more interesting things than hanging with his parents...)<br />Is a 3-seater really the plan? <br />Can you put 2 adults and a child on a 2-seater?<br />NO, I will not give up safety just to save a few bucks, but will a 2-seater safely carry 2 adults and a child? Just asking....<br /><br />Will a 110hp doo burn WAY more fuel than an 85hp doo?<br /><br />Will there be any problems pulling a tube or skier with a GTX or GTI and around 450lbs (driver and spotter)on the ski?<br /><br />I see a lot of ads quoting the amount of hours on the ski. Do the hours really mean anything, or does it mainly depend on how it's cared for? (like cars, the mileage is not the only way to measure if it's a sound, reliable car or not...)<br />What's a high amount of hours? 100? 200?<br /><br />Do the engines nornally spit their guts out the back end at a fairly pre-defined interval?<br />Meaning, once a GTI gets to 150 hours, can you expect something to go kaboom very soon? (Sorry, I just see soooo many with fresh engines, or a boatload of money just spent on them.)<br /><br /><br />And, the main thing, how reliable are they? (All things considered, of course...) If it's serviced properly, stored properly, and not abused while in use...<br /><br />Thanks in advance folks!!!!
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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Re: Some help for someone new to ski's

well I just happen to have a 96 gtx and a 96 gti stay away from 2 seaters for your use it will not do the job you will play hell trying to get 2 adults on a 2 seater without falling over before you get started, the gtx is an excellent hull the gti is a slob but the 720 is a strong engine and pulls skiers with ease and is great on gas compared to the 787 engine.all jet skis are high maintenance and a crap shoot when you buy a used one, I would look for a newer gti it has the 720 in it with the gtx hull im tempted to get one myself the gtx hull before 96 was the same as the gti hull and as I said they are bad to steer and not the ride of the newer hulls but the older ones are a lot less money I hate to do this but the truth is I can tell you how to solve the handling problems with a gti hull and pull skiers with no problem so if you do get one for what you want it to do, it can be done and for less than you would guess, actually inexpensive. only thing on the pan engines thats what they sit on be sure to keep an eye on the motor mounts if they break they can cause some problems just need to check them periodically.
 

Seaboo2

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Re: Some help for someone new to ski's

Check the local laws too, in alot of places if the ski has a mirror on it you do not need a spotter (on a ski pulling a tube you know when the rider spills anyway). 3-4 for a reliable (newer) 3 seater is on the low end of the budget (IMHO) but possiable. Salt water is hard on a ski (if that's where you plan on using it) be sure to flush it ever time (before we go out we'll spray the engine, wiring, ect. down with wd-40 to keep it alittle neater and drier under "hood".
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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Re: Some help for someone new to ski's

just my advice on wd40 use silicon spray wd40 is a penetrating oil and will break down your hoses and wiring especially the ignition wires it is not a water repellant, silicon spray will not harm the rubber and neoprene parts and it displaces water and repells it, same price better for your ski in the long run. I saw one guy using white lithium grease all over his engine boy what a mess he had.
 

fishguy

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Re: Some help for someone new to ski's

Jeff - <br />Thanks very much for the input. And I had already checked out your site, a couple weeks ago.<br />You'll likely get a sale from me...later...<br /> <br />Unfortunately, the ads that I can find (local, within 4hrs drive) don't give a lot of detail on engine size, etc.<br /><br />Since you seem to be watching this forum (that's a good thing ;) I'll ask...<br /><br /><br />So....the GTI is a slob, but has the more fuel efficient engine? (the 720cc)<br />The GTX has a good hull, but a not-so-hot 787?<br /><br />When you say a 'newer gti', would that include the 97 below? (Meaning, would the 97 have the good hull and the 720 engine?)<br /><br />I'm pretty much down to 2....<br />a 96 GTX, 110 hp with 103 hours on it ($3800)<br />and a 97 GTI, 85 hp with a 'fresh engine this season' ($3995) <br />(all other things about them are equal..trailer, cover, etc)<br /><br />Type of use - <br />Alone, to get to a few fishing spots.<br />With wife, just cruising on the local lake, or on a protected ocean bay.<br />With wife and daughter, cruising like above or pulling daughter on the tube.<br />My need to set speed records left me when I hit 30, so by 'cruising' I mean 1/2 throttle or less, taking in the sights. lol<br /><br />So, what's my best bet. I've done lots of digging and reading, but don't have the qualifications to say which is better one way or the other.<br /><br />Help.<br /><br />And thanks for the help too, Seaboo. I'm used to running the outboard in a tub of fresh water, and giving it a rinse off, so I'll make sure to do the same with whatever I end up getting.<br />Just about every 3-seater that I can find is between 3500 and 4000. I could go newer, but it's just not in the budget. It looks like 97 is about the newest that I'll go. <br /><br />And you don't have to tell anyone that lives on the east coast that salt is hard on gear. ;-) Just kiddin'.
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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Im not sure when the gti changed to the new hull I think 98 the 97 has the old hull most likely, but it may have the newer seat that is a bit more comfortable than the old flat seat. First rule on salt water add a zink annode to the inside of the ride plate to stop ground wire corrosion and aluminum break down also when you flush the engine it must be running before you turn on the water and still running after you shut the water off, otherwise you ruin the engine its not like a boat motor after you start the engine add a little dish soap to the fliuh line to get all the sludge out of the exhaust and clean the block when you see no more soap exiting the exhaust you are finished flushing the engine don't run it longer than necessary its bad for the pump and driveshaft seals, the 14 year old will suddenly be interested in family outings I promis and will become the jet ski killer of the family, along with all the friends he brings with him. just don't let people ride the ski I had that lesson many times and I have no choice because they want to test the steering, Now im getting to where I don't need to prove anything to any one if they want to try it, then buy it, if they don't like that too bad for them they have no idea what they are missing I laugh at people on stock skies because they are missing out on more fun than they could ever imagine, I don't care how good they think their ski is, It isn't. Im so busy now I don't even bother to tell people at the beach about it any more.I hand them a card and tell them to go to the web site. I bring my skies out to ride and enjoy myself, and to show off because I can. the 787 is a strong engine but I do not think you will be happy with the fuel situation, I use my wifes 720 to water ski and I start off standing with a slolom ski and just jump on to it dry I don't even get wet. it will pull just fine. the ski you mentioned with the new engine I would want to see who did the work because a new engine can mean a lot of different things just top end top and bottom who knows and what happened to it , I get concerned about the new engine routine unless it was done a year ago, on older skies go to pre mix or you end up with a problem I finally did after loosing a few engines to oil pump failure. Do not expect the ski to be perfect most gas guages don't work by the time they are 5 years old and guages are un reliable. also do a test drive before you buy, they all run on the trailer just like an outboard.
 

fishguy

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Re: Some help for someone new to ski's

Wow...thanks for the input everybody.<br /><br />I didn't call on the ones that I mentioned yet, so I don't have details on how much was done to the 'fresh engine' or why. I'm still getting a feel for what I'm looking for...<br /><br />On the way home from work, I saw a 98 GTI for sale. I called and arranged a test run. I was disappointed...<br />Between the wife and I, we had about 450lbs on it. We idled out of the no-wake zone and then I told her to hang on and punched it. The back end went down into the water and I felt like I would have slid right off the back of the seat if I didn't have the handlebars to hang onto.. I stopped, and hit it again, and I'd say the clutch is slipping and chattering (Sorry, I've worked on everything from cars to farm equipment and road graders, but never a seadoo)...Revs up, and stutters like crazy trying to come on plane. If you take a newer car with a rev-limiter and jam it to the rug, that's what it reminded me of. Aside from that, it worked nice. Once it was up on plane it would respond the way I'd expect it to, 1/3 throttle to WOT squirts gave the expected result with no 'slippage' or anything. <br />We went back to the dock and I dropped off the wife, and went for a solo run. Nearly the same deal with just me on it. (240lbs)<br />The seller says it's likely because of the weight. I say there's something not right. I can't argue, because this is only the 2nd seadoo I've ever been on.<br />If 240lbs is too much weight to let a 98 GTI get out of the hole quickly and smoothly, well, Bombardier needs to go back to the drawing board. :p <br /><br />Could it be cavitation? (Sucking air through a bad seal?) Sorry, I know what my boat feels like when the prop starts clawing at air, but not a seadoo.<br /><br />Long story short, 450lbs on a properly-running 98 GTI, should I have time to think WTF? and then find myself leaning over the bars to help it get out of the hole? I don't think so.....<br /><br />If this is the way they work, I'll drop the seadoo idea and get a bigger outboard for the runabout. <br /><br />Thanks in advance again!
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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well as i chuckle its cavitation there is no clutch and it either had some weeds or a bad pump liner its a common thing.and not expensive to fix. i pull a pump inspect the liner and berrings etc on any ski I work on or purchase they are probably the most ignored item on a ski I am doing one now for some one and it probably only had a half ounce of oil in the pump thats not good for the pump. as far as singing that could be bad berrings and the pump is about to go out. I would have used it for a barganing tool and purchased it if the engine ran good, but I can rebuild a pump for 20 dollars for berrings and seal and 40 for a liner and have it done in less than an hour. you obviously cant do that, but it could have been a piece of rope in the thing or just weeds.
 
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