Snakeheads - NY

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Snakeheads threaten state waters
Nasty Asian fish could spread to Hudson River, Great Lakes if not halted

By BRIAN NEARING, Staff writer
First published in print: Thursday, September 3, 2009

WAWAYANDA -- The state is taking a second pass to eradicate a sharped-tooth invasive Asian predatory fish -- capable of getting out of the water and moving on land -- from a creek in Orange County.

Aquatic poison applied last summer at Ridgebury Lake failed to kill all of the northern snakehead, an air-breathing fish native to China, Russia and Korea, the state Department of Environmental Conservation said.

Two of the fish were recently found by DEC near a remote small dam on the Catlin Creek, which feeds the lake. Another round of poisoning is now planned for October. DEC has scheduled a public meeting 7 p.m. Sept. 16 at the Wawayanda Town Hall

First discovered in Maryland in 2002, snakeheads have spread to New York, Massachusetts, California, Virginia, New York, and Lake Michigan at Chicago, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

The only other infestation in New York state is confined in Queens, according to DEC

Capable of growing to at least three feet long and weighing 15 pounds, the fish have no natural predators in the United States and are voracious feeders using sharp teeth like that of a pike to capture prey.

Adults prefer to eat other fish but will eat frogs, crustaceans and even small reptiles, birds, and mammals. They remain close to shore, typically under aquatic vegetation, and are most active at dusk and dawn, feeding very near the shore.

Able to breathe air for up to four days, the torpedo-shaped fish also can spread from one water body to another by moving across the ground.

Snakeheads are believed to have been introduced into American lakes and river by aquarium owners who dumped unwanted fish and people who released fish in hopes of creating a local food source, USFW said. The fish is considered a delicacy in Chinese and Thai cooking.

Currently, snakeheads are sold in live fish food markets and some restaurants in Boston and New York. USFW reports that live specimens have been confiscated by authorities in Alabama, California, Florida, Texas and Washington, all states where possession of these fish is illegal. Also, snakeheads are readily available for purchase over the Internet.

DEC anticipates treating the entire Catlin Creek area in one day. Because no native species of fish were re-stocked in the creek, few if any are expected to be killed. Animals without gills will not be harmed.

Rotenone is an extract from several different tropical plants and breaks down rapidly after application with no lasting toxicity. DEC plans on restocking the area with fish after treatment.

In August 2008, DEC applied the aquatic pesticide rotenone to Ridgebury Lake, and later removed about 200 dead snakeheads.

If snakeheads spread from the creek back into the lake, there is a risk they could reach the Walkill River, which drains into the Hudson River. That could lead to widespread infestation through the Champlain Canal and into the Great Lakes through the St. Lawrence River.
 

Mark_VTfisherman

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One more time we see that dumb people are the biggest threat to our fisheries, not the anglers or tournament guys. 'nuf said. Thanks, Bob!
 

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I had one as a pet when I was in my early 20's. Nasty nasty fish. When it got to be about 18 inches I traded it back to the fish store and they made it a store mascot. I got $100.00 in store credit and the fish got the chair eventually. Before it ended it's own life by smashing two electric tank heaters it had knocked off at least three glass tank toppers.
 

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It's good to know that at least people are getting educated somewhat and folks over your way are trying to prevent them from infiltrating the great lakes. Once they get in Ontario and Erie it's lights out for the entire system:mad: And they are creeping up from the Chicago river as well?!?:eek:

Big problems...no good solutions.

Good article Bob thanks for posting. I hope they can be contained.
 

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So they have no natural predator but how do the "experts" know that the other native carnivorous fish won't find juvenile snakehead tasty? Musky, Pike, Walleye, Bass, Striper, etc...they don't get eaten when they become adult. Hey, wishful thinking doesn't hurt. :cool:
 

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While the introduction of any non-native species is bad, I have to wonder why the snakehead is so bad compared to all the non-native species that have been intentionally stocked in our water ways. One would have to believe that the Brown and Rainbow trout, the Steelhead, and the non-native species of Salmon would have had a much greater impact on the native species when first introduced some years ago.

Seven years after the snakehead was found in a local pond, they have yet to take over the world as some had predicted. Fishermen catch a few in the local rivers from time to time but the take over the world scenario never materialized. People are still catching just as many Bass, Perch and Catfish as they ever did in these rivers. The only thing that has changed is the possibly that you might catch a snakehead as well.

The snakehead is not an open water fish. They tend to stay close to shore in heavy cover. Frogs, tadpoles and stuff like that are their primary quarry. You are not going to find them out in open water competing with Sport fish.

They are good fighters and are very aggressive towards top water baits. We now have guides that actually target them.
 

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My thought exactly dingbat. You're braver then me to actually ask the question. I think we as American tend to sensationalize, ridicule thing that we don't understand. It's true that they can slither on land but no mention of that they can't move fast or very far. They're far from being able to walk on land and they can't survive on land for a very long time. They developed the ability to move on dry land for survival in their native environment. Their habitat often dry up so they have to find new water or die. They don't leave unless they have to and they sure as hell can't climb up the bank of a river or lake. I would love to see the number of game and non game fish in the canals of Florida that do have a sizable population of snakehead. I like to see how much damage they had actually done.
 

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In NY, they have no natural predators. (Maybe gators in Florida will eat them, but we don't have gators) We do however have over 180 other invasive species that have been raising havoc with our lakes, especially Lake Ontario. The fear is not that they can "walk" but that Snakeshead could wipe out the bass and other small warmwater fish populations thus be more disruption to the fishery. (Our bass are fairly slow growing & don't get nearly as big as their southern brothers.)

Tom B.
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Media driven hysteria. Watch the snakehead movie, tell yourself how terrible the movie is and then go on living your life. They aren't hurting anything.
 

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In NY, they have no natural predators. (Maybe gators in Florida will eat them, but we don't have gators) We do however have over 180 other invasive species that have been raising havoc with our lakes, especially Lake Ontario. The fear is not that they can "walk" but that Snakeshead could wipe out the bass and other small warmwater fish populations thus be more disruption to the fishery. (Our bass are fairly slow growing & don't get nearly as big as their southern brothers.)

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Holy smoke, that's a lot of species. I have no idea there that many, what are the damages? You said "fear", I think that is the main thing. Folks don't know what will happen so they fear and spread hysteria. All of the media have description such as "can grow to 3 ft long, with razor sharp teeth, etc.." Obviously, these peoples haven't met anything in the pike family. A musky is a hell of a lot more fearsome looking fish and their primary diet is shad, minow and other bait fish. An Alligator Gar can swallow a small child whole but it eats little bait fish. A bass will eat anything smaller then him but we don't see the panfish population being wipe out. I think all fish are alike as far as their preferred forage. They prefer the most abundance and small so they don't choke to death.
 

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Now if only we could get the snakehead to concentrate on gobi.
 

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What are the damages???? I assume you?ve heard of Zebra mussels? Well they?re nothing compared to the quagga mussels which now inhabit Lake Ontario out to over 300 FOW depths. They have no natural predators thus their numbers have exploded exponentially.

What the quagga?s (& Zebras) have done is disrupt the food chain by filtering out tiny natural organisms that the natural forage fish feed on. Sunlight now penetrates deeper and the natural preyfish have moved out deeper to find food. The game fish have also moved out following the preyfish. Where we used to catch 40-45 Lb salmon in 100-150FOW, we now have to go out to the 400-500FOW range to catch 25-30 Lb salmon, prior to their spawning runs. There are thousands of guaggas per square yard out to these depths in only a few years. They are similar to barnacles in that they?ll attach themselves to boats and block water intake pipes of municipalities & power plants. Lord help you if you get their young (which suspend in the water column) in your engine?s water intake. Millions of dollars are spent keeping the intakes clean every year. Their dead shells also wash up on beaches and many sections that were clean sand are now so littered with their shells that you can?t walk barefoot on them without getting cut up pretty bad.

Another invasive is the Spiny Water Flea. These are a nemesis of many Great Lakes trollers. They are small flea like creatures that have long tails. They will attach themselves to the vertical lines fishermen employ with downriggers. When the line is released and reeled in there will be clinging clumps of them that resemble a yellowish-gray seaweed on it. They are difficult to remove and make reeling it in quite a challenge, especially with a decent fish on the other end. The good news is that the preyfish will eat them. The bad news is that the fleas don?t have the nutritional value of the organisms they displaced, hence the preyfish are not as healthy nor as big nor as numerous as they used to be and the gamefish have gotten smaller.

These are only two examples. Their effect is real & currently being experienced by every boater & fisherman on Lake Ontario and on many of our inland lakes in NY. Our fear over other invasives on the great lakes, although often exaggerated by Hollywood, is based on our experience. We don?t want this predator. We don?t want fish jumping into the boat or causing injury as the Asian Carp are doing on the Illinois River.

You statements of the Northern Pike as a ferocious beastie ring true. Do you want the Pike or Musky to have a competitor? Do you think the Pike or Musky population will increase with the addition of the Snakeshead?

Good idea if the Snakeshead ate the Gobies. Then the E. Coli that Gobies are known to carry would kill the Snakeshead off rather than the Muskies as it did up the Seaway couple years ago.

Tom B.
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(rolmops - I said that tongue in cheek)
 

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Where we used to catch 40-45 Lb salmon in 100-150FOW, we now have to go out to the 400-500FOW range to catch 25-30 Lb salmon, prior to their spawning runs.

Wow...how many 40-45lb salmon have you caught? Are we talking about Ontario? The biggest we've ever caught in the great lakes is 33lbs. and that was a bit of an anomaly.

I agree that the zebra mussels and gobies are a bigger problem than most folks realize.
 

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First, I would like to say that I'm not a proponent of having snakeheads in our water. Also, I am not paranoid about it. Obviously, the snakehead wouldn't have the same effect as mussels. If it was me I wouldn't have spend tons of money killing off fish and then restock them to start from square one again. It takes many years to have a decent fishery again after a rotenone treatment. This is the first that I have heard goby carries E. coli. How come the smallmouth in St. Clair, Errie, etc... population has exploded and are fatter then ever? Goby is their preferred diet now.
 

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Yes, talking Lake Ontario. NY side records:
Atlantic 24-15 oz
Brown 33-2 oz
King 47-13 oz
Coho 33-7oz
Stlhd 31-3 oz

NYS angler recognition current minimum for Kings is 33 Lbs.

Recently ended LOC derby had all top 20 finishers over 30 Lb. There's been reports of a couple 40 Lb'rs caught this year but they are now very rare.

I'm not paranoid either, I just don't want them and don't want to take the risk. They are known as a top predator in the waters that they inhabit. I'm very happy with the top predators that we have.

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Atlantic 24-15 oz
Brown 33-2 oz
King 47-13 oz
Coho 33-7oz
Stlhd 31-3 oz

Those are pretty comparable numbers to what we've got here in Michigan, these records will be standing for a while unless the fisheries get a boost of some baitfish.

We've been catching salmon and walleye with empty stomachs for a few years now. Not the best sign for the future.:( Feel free to send some baitfish our way if you've got any extra.

Atlantic 32-9
Brown 34-9
King 46
Coho 30-8
Stlhd 26-8
 

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Very similar. Sorry, not going to send you any alewives though. Their numbers are on a downward trend. They had good recruitment 2 yrs ago but YOY this year look very low. If you'd like some gobies though... (I'm sure some freighter has already given you some.)

The smallmouths here are definitely getting larger as they are eating the Gobies however the SM population is nothing like it used to be. I got one last yr in the 4 1/2 Lb range while trolling in close to 80 FOW.

Tom B.
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H.A. - Just heard someone got a 41 Lb Brown out you way. WOW!

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