Since when are school busses allowed to break the law?

CN Spots

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This sounds exactly like my street up until this year. We live within 100 yards of an elementary school (the one I went to as a kid actually) and you described it verbatim. Trick is, the school system recieved so many complaints during PTA and board meetings they actually bought a house behind the school, tore it down and paved a new road for the buses/2nd graders. Complaints from business owners nearby helped too.<br /><br />Most cities have a "town hall" meeting every so often. These involve elected officials whose job it is to listen to your concerns. I'd pay them a visit next session.<br /><br />squeaky wheel and what-not.<br /><br />spots
 

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Yeah CN Spots that is true. But read the post above yours.<br />"Noone should have to go to meetings" <br />I guess if you sit back on your duff and do nothing, Big Bad Government will take care of it for you.<br /><br />Sound familiar?????<br />I seem to remember certain people on this forum pointing out all the people who "wouldn't help themselves" after Hurricane Katrina for this exact same attitude.<br /> <br />But that is Ok, because there are doers and there are watchers.<br />Doers are part of the solution. Watchers aren't.<br />It is your choice which one you want to be.<br /><br />AK Chappy
 

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So, AK Chappy, you think everyone in town should have to go to meetings to prevent the local government from breaking the law?<br /><br />One more time: It's not the traffic I care about. It's the fact that all the traffic is breaking the law every single day, and nobody is doing a damn thing about it. I shouldn't have to complain. The local police should find this problem on their own and deal with it. That's what they are here for isn't it? The people who run the school should see this problem and deal with it. The bus drivers should complain to their bosses that they have to break the law in order to get to school on time and do their job.<br /><br />And, like I said, I've tried twice now to have a nice, calm conversation with the school's principal about this. She has ignored me.<br /><br />If a private business was causing this kind of trouble, they'd be stopped ASAP. A school does not deserve special treatment.
 

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ZmOz,<br />reread your post. Look at it from outside of the "you" perspective. <br />What I see when I read it<br /><br />"I shouldn't have to" "nobody is doing a damn thing about it" and a whole lot of wahhhhh they're not taking care of it for me.<br /><br />Like I said. There are two kinds of people. <br />First there are:<br />People who take the bull by the horns. Let the problems be known, with a possible solution ready. This kind of person gets things done.<br />Second:<br />People who will complain, whine, cuss and never leave the neighborhood with the complaints. <br />This kind of person does not get things done.<br /><br />Unfortunately, most people are in the second group. You have evidently trying to prove that you yourself are in that group also.<br /><br />Realize I am not trying to attack you. My words will probably get you riled up. That is because they don't agree with yours. I am not saying "It's Ok ZmOz, go home and the gov't will take care of it for you" I am saying "If you want something done, do something about it" <br />Words are cheap, actions are priceless. <br />And to answer your first question: yes, if it means that you attend meetings about what is going on in your community.<br /><br />AK Chappy
 
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God Bless our Happy Home... <duckingandrunningforcover> :D
 

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Originally posted by AK Chappy:<br />I am saying "If you want something done, do something about it"
I am doing something about it. Why the hell do you think I made this post? I've tried to be nice and calmly talk to them. They will have none of it. No more Mr. nice guy.<br /><br />Generally no part of the government is changed unless somebody makes a point and becomes a thorn in their side. Is this not true? That is exactly what I am going to do.<br /><br />Even if I had gone to planning meetings and thrown a huge fit it would have no effect on the traffic problem that is happening today. Whether the school will be breaking laws or not is not something that is ever brought up in any school planning meeting, because generally people trust the school not to be that stupid.<br /><br />Let me ask anyone here that's reading this: If they were building a school in your backyard, would you go to the meetings and ask, "if you build this school, will the bus drivers break the law every day?"
 

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Not in those words.<br />But yes. And yes I did. When the new school was built for my children, my wife and I both were VERY active in the entire process. To the point of picking colors for tilework. Reviewing the planned projects, reviewing what effect it would have on the community.<br /><br />You say you are doing something. You are posting on this board. If that is your opinion of "doing something" you are not going to accomplish anything. The people on this board cannot help you with your traffic problem. Not because we are not a part of your town, but mainly because as soon as someone points you in the right direction, all you do is say "I shouldn't have to" "it is someone else's responsibility" and etc.<br /><br />AK Chappy
 

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Originally posted by AK Chappy:<br />but mainly because as soon as someone points you in the right direction, all you do is say "I shouldn't have to" "it is someone else's responsibility" and etc.
The only thing I said I am not going to do is go to a meeting that happened 4 years ago. Obviously, nothing anybody in the world could ever do will change that. And yet again I have to repeat: things have changed since 4 years ago. The school has expanded larger than was ever planned, thus, so has the traffic. There were no meetings when they decided to put in 6 trailer eye sores. This district has a bad habbit of remodeling/building new schools, and then overfilling them and expanding without much of a plan. The point of this thread was to ask suggestions about what I should do. The only one not helping is you and a couple techno-people who clearly only posted because they are bored.<br /><br />And again, nobody in this country should have to go to any meeting of any sort to keep their local schools from breaking laws. It simply should never happen, and the principal should be ashamed. The fact that the problem has been allowed to escalate to what it is today is ridiculous. A school, of all places, should never have to be told they cannot break the law, under any circumstances.
 

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I see your point now. One question that still needs answered....are there any no parking signs along the street? If not then the parents may be able to legally park there. The school busses are in violation by driving into on-coming traffic and the crossing guard is impeding traffic by stopping them. <br /><br />If there are no signs prohibbiting parking then who is in the wrong to start with? From a law enforcement point of view where to start? OK, the school busses are breaking the law by crossing into oncoming traffic on a double yellow. Second point of view is why are they doing this? Because of the parents parking on the street. Can they be expected to wait until all parents are gone to go load or unload children? Legally yes, but in reality how? Now for the crossing guard, they are clearly in the wrong but from where? Because the school busses are crossing into traffic or because the parents parking on the street, and if there is no signs forbidding parking then what? It becomes a big circle of dung that never ends. Finally how many people on the street also see this as a problem? It is very possible that the loccal law and the school do not know of this as a problem. <br /><br />Common sense should prevail here and tell everyone that this is not working and not safe but then I am fully convinced that there is no such thing as common sense. Everyone involved will say yes it is not a good situation but I need to get my kids, or I need to get my bus going, or I need to get to my driveway. Common sense only applies to "the other guy". <br />This goes the same way with the school and city officials....common sense should tell them there is a problem there. But there is no such thing, so there you sit. The few who are annoyed by this are hoping for reform but not telling anyone what they want, the few who like the current system of loading and unloading children are probably hoping for a smoother system or location to load and unload but don't say anything. Possibly someone needs to bring this situation to their attention as a problem. <br /><br />Sounds like you have tried by calling the school officials with no response. From what I know of schools and government offices, the secretary possibly never passed on the message, or they just hoped you would go away. <br /><br />Someone needs to bring this out and keep bringing it out or else it will be forgotten. It is very very possible the people who could solve this problem are not aware of the scope of the problem or even that a problem exists. How can they fix a problem they are not aware of? <br /><br />A final thought from me to you. If you allow emotions to take control and block the road or cause a scene be prepared. The official that responds will definately not know of the situation from start to finish from your point of view and may view you as a troublemaker. It might end up backfiring and causing you some grief. <br /><br />Good luck to you in this. I hope you find the outcome you need.
 

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I think AK and DD both have given you some excellant advice. I also wish to apologize for my earlier "post because of boredom" I can tell you that the best way is what has already been said. If you make it a you issue they will quickly discredit you. Make it for the kids and everyones safety and you'll go alot further. Good luck.
 

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Originally posted by deputydawg:<br /> I see your point now. One question that still needs answered....are there any no parking signs along the street?
No, but the problem is they don't park. Imagine you stop at a stop sign at the end of a normal residential street. Now just stay there with your foot on the brake for half an hour. In the road. Is that against the law? Any reasonable person would expect that they get out of the way - if that means they have to park 5 blocks away and walk then so be it.<br /><br />Then there's the people that do park on the street close to the school. It's a 2 way street barely wide enough when no one is parked there. people park on both sides, leaving roughly 75% of one lane for traffic to get through. This is the road the crossing guards stop.<br /><br />The very least a school that cared about it's neighbors could do is politely ask parents not to do this.<br /><br />It would be down right comical to watch if I didn't live here...
 

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Around here, this would not be a school or school board issue.<br />It would be a parking and traffic issue.<br /><br />Lived across the street from an elementary school for 5 years.<br />Similar situation was eliminated by banning all street parking on the school side of the road, except busses. Then the parking patrol was called everytime someone violated, even for a minute.<br /><br />The cops are gonna have to be there giving tickets to those who block the road before anyone changes their actions.<br /><br />Local tv would love to see your video, and some audio of the police on the phone telling you to just live with it. Maybe an alderman or two telling you to "not make waves" or to move.<br /><br />Fight the good fight, document, notify, propose, follow thru with lots of attention getting noise.
 

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Your complaint is with the parents waiting to pick up the kids, not with school busses.<br /><br />School busses cant wait in line, they have a schedule to keep. People dont want their kids coming home at 6 pm.<br /><br />If you complain about the busses crossing the line, it will fall on deaf ears.<br /><br />You should raise the flag on the lack of parking for the parents waiting to pick up kids.<br /><br />Ken
 

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br />School busses cant wait in line, they have a schedule to keep. People dont want their kids coming home at 6 pm.
I guess they better leave earlier then. Before the traffic comes out. I have a schedule too...alot more important than a friggin 3rd grader getting home from school.<br /><br />There is NO answer to the parking problem, they just have to keep them moving. The only way to increase parking would be to bulldoze millions of dollars in new houses or move a historic cemetary. If the busses and crossing guards weren't blocking traffic illegally, it would move alot smoother. The traffic problem will always be there, it just needs to MOVE. I literally sat stuck in exactly the same spot for half an hour today looking at the roof of my house. I nearly abandoned my truck and walked home....
 

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Forget it guys he already has all the answers, they may be the wrong ones but they seem to suit his needs.
 

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Originally posted by Flahthead:<br /> Forget it guys he already has all the answers, they may be the wrong ones but they seem to suit his needs.
No one here knows the details of the situation, including yourself. Just because somebody on the internet tells me something doesn't mean I'm going to blindly take their advice to the letter. I would expect and hope you and everyone else would do the same. :rolleyes: <br /><br />BTW - have you provided any useful suggestions Flathead? I don't see anything but criticism. I'll remember that next time you have a question. If you do not like what I am doing then don't waste your time or mine by replying to my thread.
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />
No one here knows the details of the situation, including yourself. Just because somebody on the internet tells me something doesn't mean I'm going to blindly take their advice to the letter. I would expect and hope you and everyone else would do the same. :rolleyes: <br /><br /><br />BTW - have you provided any useful suggestions Flathead? I don't see anything but criticism. I'll remember that next time you have a question.
Hows about this that I wrote in my first reply.<br /><br />"Go to the school board meeting, make sure you have cold hard facts about the so called problem, Bring along some neighbors that have the same gripe. Presenting it as a safety problem will usually get results". <br /><br />Probably the best advice you have gotten all week. You choose to write it off as something not worthwhile, criticism,, So be it.<br /><br />By the way excuse me for muscling in on YOUR thread. LOL.
 

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From a been there done that point of view it ain't worth it guys. See the several zapped threads from just last night if ya doubt me.
 

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Again: The problem is people are breaking the law. The school board has no control over that.<br /><br />The solution is for the police to do whatever they have to do to stop people from breaking the law. Whether they will do that or just ignore me remains to be seen. If they choose to ignore me I will take further action.<br /><br />The only thing any school board could do to fix this problem is add more parking, and that is simply impossible.
 

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I'm gonna get more involved than what I wanted to but I have no choice it seems. I'm with ya Z, I really do understand. One thing I want you to remember is what all cops are taught, and what a GOOD cop remembers. They are to enforce the spirit of the law, not necc the letter of the law. They very well may ignore you. Then in turn you will be forced to go above them. It may end up way bigger than you could ever imagine. Stick to your guns if you do it, and see it through, good luck. I don't know how I would handle it if I was the cop. Make all of the people in line mad and the cheif and city manager is gonna be on me. Pretty soon I would be looking for a job. Do nothing and face a possible lawsuit from the complainant. D if ya do, D if ya don't.
 
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