Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

theriver

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Not as important as the data below, but costs have exceeded 175 Billion with no end in sight. Sadly soldier death counts continue to remain steady. I don't have an answer, but for all you staunch supporters of this war, and our commander in chief, here are the latest stats. <br /><br /><br />Military Fatalities: By Month <br />Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days <br />6-2005 48 0 2 50 3.12 16 <br />5-2005 80 2 6 88 2.84 31 <br />4-2005 52 0 0 52 1.73 30 <br />3-2005 36 1 3 40 1.29 31 <br />2-2005 58 0 2 60 2.14 28 <br />1-2005 107 10 10 127 4.1 31 <br />12-2004 72 2 3 77 2.48 31 <br />11-2004 137 4 0 141 4.7 30 <br />10-2004 63 2 2 67 2.16 31 <br />9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30 <br />8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31 <br />7-2004 54 1 3 58 1.87 31 <br />6-2004 42 1 7 50 1.67 30 <br />5-2004 80 0 4 84 2.71 31 <br />4-2004 135 0 5 140 4.67 30 <br />3-2004 52 0 0 52 1.68 31 <br />2-2004 20 1 2 23 0.79 29 <br />1-2004 47 5 0 52 1.68 31 <br />12-2003 40 0 8 48 1.55 31 <br />11-2003 82 1 27 110 3.67 30 <br />10-2003 44 1 2 47 1.52 31 <br />9-2003 31 1 1 33 1.1 30 <br />8-2003 35 6 2 43 1.39 31 <br />7-2003 48 1 0 49 1.58 31 <br />6-2003 30 6 0 36 1.2 30 <br />5-2003 37 4 0 41 1.32 31 <br />4-2003 74 6 0 80 2.67 30 <br />3-2003 65 27 0 92 7.67 12 <br />Total 1715 89 98 1902 2.32 820 <br /> <br />** Other - Polish: 17 <br /> <br />* Other - Danish: 1 <br /> <br />* Other - Spanish: 11 <br />1 Military Diplomat, 2 Army Soldier, 8 Intelligence Agents <br />* Other - Italian: 26 <br /> <br />* Other - Ukrainian: 18 <br /> <br />* Other - Bulgarian: 12 <br /> <br />* Other - Thai: 2 <br /> <br />* Other - Estonian: 2 <br /> <br />* Other - Salvadoran: 1 <br /> <br />* Other - Netherlands 2 <br /> <br />* Other - Slovaks: 3 <br /> <br />* Other - Latvian: 1 <br /> <br />* Other - Kazakh: 1 <br /> <br />* Other - Hungarian: 1 <br /><br />I support the troops. I support their lives. Let them live. They should have never been put into such an unnecessary position in the first place. Bring them home.
 

kenimpzoom

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

Thanks for the reminder of the sacrafice our troops have made.<br /><br />Please dont mix your reminder with your politics.<br /><br />Ken
 

m1rodrig

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

Years from now you will realize that this needed to be done. We are not fighting Iraqis over there or insurgents. These are Iranian ,Syrian Al Qaeda & other terrorists who if not for our brave soldiers fighting them over there, those same terrorists would be attacking innocent civilians over here. No matter what decision or action the President would have taken. You would just find some other reason to complain. The truth is the war they are fighting over there is what is keeping the fight from happening over here in America. as much as I hate to see our soldiers dying over there, I am thankfull of their sacrifices & efforts. Even if we spend 500 Billion I don't care because I know there will be a safer future for my children.
 

mikeandronda

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Ill bite theriver lets talk about the war start lets start here.......<br /><br /><br />How the US is WINNING the war in Iraq<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> June 15, 2005 -- MAY was a costly month in Iraq: 700 Iraqis and some 80 Americans died, making it one of the bloodiest months of the war. While bombings in Baghdad decreased over the last two weeks as the result of a major sweep by some 40,000 Iraqi soldiers and policemen, backed up by 10,000 troops (Operation Lightning/Operation Thunder), insurgent attacks against Iraqi civilians and police have resumed. <br /><br />The continuing attacks have generated the usual sort of stories in the U.S. press: America is mired in a Vietnam-style quagmire. Thus a recent Boston Globe report began by claiming: "Military operations in Iraq have not succeeded in weakening the insurgency." <br /><br />But the Globe is wrong. Coalition operations in Iraq have killed hundreds of insurgents and led to the capture of many hundreds more, including two dozen of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's top lieutenants. Intelligence from captured insurgents, as well as from Zarqawi's computer, has had a cascading effect, permitting the Coalition to maintain pressure on the insurgency. <br /><br />Vice President **** Cheney's recent claim that the insurgency was in its "last throes," however, was clearly an overstatement. But while the outcome in Iraq is far from certain — and even a favorable one won't come overnight — evidence suggests the United States and the new Iraqi government are on the right track to ultimate success. To understand why, it is necessary to grasp the essentials of the current U.S. strategy in Iraq and how it seems to be playing out. <br /><br />The Globe's problem, one shared by most of the American press, is the tendency to see events in Iraq as isolated. They fail to see the overall campaign: a series of coordinated events — movements, battles and supporting operations — designed to achieve strategic or operational objectives within a military theater. <br /><br />No force, conventional or guerrilla, can continue to fight if it is deprived of sanctuary and logistics support. Accordingly, the central goal of the U.S. strategy in Iraq is to destroy the insurgency by depriving it of its base in the Sunni Triangle and its "ratlines" — the infiltration routes that run from the Syrian border into the heart of Iraq. <br /><br />One ratline follows the Euphrates River corridor — running from Syria to Husayba on the Syrian border and then through Qaim, Rawa, Haditha, Asad, Hit and Fallujah to Baghdad. The other follows the course of the Tigris — from the north through Mosul-Tel Afar to Tikrit and on to Baghdad. These two "river corridors" constitute the main spatial elements of a campaign to implement U.S. strategy. <br /><br />This campaign began last November with the takedown of Fallujah. <br /><br />Wresting Fallujah from the rebels was critically important: Control of the town had given them the infrastructure — human and physical — necessary to maintain a high tempo of attacks against the Iraqi government and coalition forces. <br /><br />In and of itself, the loss of Fallujah didn't cause the insurgency to collapse, but it did deprive the rebels of an indispensable sanctuary. Absent such a sanctuary, large terrorist networks cannot easily survive, being reduced to small, hunted bands. <br /><br />With Fallujah captured, the Coalition continued a high tempo of offensive operations. After losing the city, Zarqawi apparently tried to reconstitute the insurgency in Mosul, but was unable to do so because of continued U.S. pressure. In Mosul as in Fallujah, Coalition forces killed and captured insurgents — forcing Zarqawi to move west into Al Anbar province. In March, an Iraqi special operations unit captured an insurgent camp near Lake Tharthar on the border of Anbar and Salaheddin provinces. Such operations forced him back to positions along the Syrian border. <br /><br />Next came the rivers campaign — to destroy the insurgent infrastructure west and northwest of Fallujah, and so shut down those "ratlines" — which continues apace. <br /><br />May saw four operations within that campaign: <br /><br />* The first, Operation Matador, was a week-long Marine action centered on Qaim, near the Syrian border. Matador sought to kill and capture followers of Zarqawi known to be located there and to interdict the smuggling routes they used to move downriver to Baghdad. Some 125 insurgents died in the fighting. <br /><br />* Next came Operation New Market, another Marine operation, in the Haditha area southeast of Qaim. Here, a major highway from Syria crosses the Euphrates and then branches north toward Mosul and southeast toward Fallujah and Baghdad. While the insurgents did not stand and fight as they had in Qaim, the operation still netted substantial intelligence. <br /><br />* The third was a joint U.S.-Iraqi operation in the Mosul-Tel Afar region that contains the Tigris River ratline. <br /><br />* The fourth operation of this campaign was the aforementioned Lightning/Thunder in Baghdad itself, which led to the capture of a former general in Saddam's intelligence service, who (according to the U.S. military) led "the military wings of several terror cells" operating in west Baghdad. Hundreds of other insurgents were captured as well. <br /><br />The rapid tempo of Coalition operations will likely continue. Indeed, as U.S. and Iraqi forces shut down these ratlines, the insurgency will likely fall back on its "strategic rear" in Syria. Thus, "hot pursuit" into Syria may soon become an issue. <br /><br />The U.S. strategy in Iraq is limited by a number of factors: the U.S. forces available, Iraqi politics and the time it is taking to create a competent Iraqi military. But the ongoing river campaign indicates that America has chosen to go on the offensive, taking advantage of the success in Fallujah to deny the insurgents respite. The high operational tempo is intended to rapidly degrade the rebels' lines of communication at both ends of the two river corridors, while killing and capturing as many of the enemy as possible. <br /><br />But while military operations have weakened the insurgency, military means alone cannot defeat an insurgency. That is why it is necessary to bring the Sunnis into the government. Recent evidence suggests that the steps so far have already begun to drive a wedge between the Sunni and the foreign jihadis who have come to fight for Zarqawi. <br /><br />Indeed, one of the reasons U.S. forces have been able to go on the offensive — despite the fact that U.S. troop strength is actually lower than it was earlier this year — is an improvement in actionable intelligence. Some of this is coming from captured insurgents. But much of it is coming from Sunnis who realize that their best chance for a future requires them to choose the new Iraqi government and reject the jihadis. <br /><br />If current trends can be sustained, Zarqawi and his jihadi murderers will soon run out of time and space.
 

rogerwa

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

Bring the troops home now, bury our heads in the sand and wait to fight the enemy when he is breaking our door down. Great strategy.<br /><br />If you weren't in favor of the war that fine, but it happened and we need to finish the job. <br /><br />Ultimatley you need to think about what team your on. Are you on the US team or are you with the terrorists. This kind of post doesn't exactly root for the home team.
 

Kiwi Phil

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Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism.<br />Afghanastan, Saudi, Iran etc, yes.<br />The people who oppose you in Iraq are imports.<br />There are a lot of ex military men on this board. It matters not if you were a Section Comd, Pl Comd, Coy Comd, Bn Comd or Div Comd - the simplist rules are the same....<br />1. you locate your enemy<br />2. you fix your enemy<br />3. you engage/destroy your enemy<br /><br /> That is exactly what the enemy in Iraq have done to the US Forces, with the added advantages of being able to openly observe, study, then execute any operation they feel like in their own time.<br />To believe these terrorist would be fighting in USA if they were not fighting in Iraq is B/S. They are peasants foot-soldiers.<br />Personally, I don't believe the actual "Terrorist Army" exists at all. i do believe there are a small number of "Terrorists" who are ill equipped and poorly funded and operating out of countries who in tern want rid of them.<br />We know little of them. We have the greatest intelligence organisations of the planet with the greatest strike power available to man, yet<br />1. we don't know who they are<br />2. we don't know where they are<br />3. we know literally zero about them<br /> which begs the question, how many of them are there.<br />Yes , they destroyed the Twin Towers, but I also wonder if they were not more surprised when the buildings came down than we were.<br />It amazes me, that if they wished to terrorise America, it would be very easy to do.<br />That Washington Sniper and the kid, did a pretty good job of terrorising part of a large city.<br />Your own people did a good job of terrorising their own people with that Anthrax.<br />So if these hordes of terrorists that want to invade the US, decided to kill 1 person per day, anywhere in the country, outside say a post office, or McDonalds, then believe me, no one would go near a Post Office or MacDonalds. <br />Has any one read the book written by the IRA terrorist, Jerry Adams (I think he wrote it). I have listened to a review of it on the radio and it is a real eye opener as to the easy in which a terrorist can cause terror, and what amazed me, was how large a conventional force a small cell can tie-down.<br />Personally, America has been side tracted - gone up a blind alley, with Iraq.<br />Invade the countries who have/sponsor terrorists. <br />We all know the culprits. <br />Clean up Afghanastan properly and give the people a future: <br />then take a serious look at Saudi.<br />Iran is the biggest worry, and has been for years.If there are problems in Iraq, then thay don't have a patch on what Iran will do when they get themselve tooled-up.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

PW2

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I am really heartened to learn we are winning this war. We needed someone to tell us that, because if you were to rely solely on the evidence, you wouldn't be so sure.<br /><br />And military recruitment is falling below target levels.<br /><br />What a mess this is! <br /><br />And I don't even understand the current arguments. Outsiders are coming accross the borders to help the insurgency? How can that be a surprise to anyone, and why did we not have the troop strength to seal the borders--and still don't.<br /><br />I no longer want to argue why we are in this mess to begin with--there is no point in that at this point--I just want to know what the plan is, and how it has any chance of success.<br /><br />The definition of insanity is continuing the exact same action, but expecting different results.
 

pjc

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.....TROLL ALERT......... ;) :D
 

ae708

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The war in Iraq has about as much chance of our success as we had in Vietnam. We are trying to change a people in a few months from a lifestyle of centuries. People... it ain't gonna work. I was in Vietnam and saw lives and money wasted for nothing. Same thing is happening in Iraq. I say get out now. If we know who our enemy is then wipe them out. All we're doing in Iraq is pi**ing in the wind.
 

OperativeK

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Geeze.. Let me guess this must be the post of "Why I know better". Im not going to say a damn thing except this. Ive served. Dad Marine. Brother is a Police Officer. Grandpa served WWII. Several Uncles Vietnam.<br /><br />Now what would have happen if all those good men didn't serve during WWII?<br /><br />The Muslim extremist are counting on us to be fighting amongst ourselves.<br /><br />It is called patriotism and self sacrifice. Nobody makes them do it they choose to go. I didn't see any men in Washington not stand and applaud when it was time to go.<br /><br />So we are there. You can vote your opinion when the next elections come up. <br /><br />THIS IS A BOATING FORUM WHERE WE GO TO GET AWAY FROM TROUBLES, except motor troubles lol, SO GO TO A POLITICAL FORUM IF YOU WANT TO START CRAP.<br /><br />Everyone has there opinions. Do your patriotic duty and vote. My heart goes out to all the loved ones whos family has made sacrifices during times like these.<br /><br />TheRiver: I hope you feel good posting the number of dead you *******. You can say what you want but that is a pure ******* move to make. If we want to know that Im sure we all know how to find the statistics on the net, not alone hearing it everyday that someone else is dead. My opinion you must be a jerk. If your upset bout something don't bring it here. Just look at the crap you started.<br /><br />Please administrator lock and delete this post! Make note this is NOT a political forum.
 

Twidget

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

I don't have an answer,
That pretty much says it all. If you have a criticism, it would help if you had an answer too.
 

theriver

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I'm a jerk because I care about human life. Keep the blinders on, OpK...
 

Ralph 123

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

Nothing to do with terrorism? Gee somebody should have told this man:<br /><br />
saddam2.jpg
 

OperativeK

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Originally posted by theriver:<br /> I'm a jerk because I care about human life. Keep the blinders on, OpK...
Well you got one part right. You are a jerk! Again there are other forums for this type of topic you don't need to bring it here.<br /><br />Ill keep my blinders pointed toward the water here, thanks.
 

theriver

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OpK-<br /><br />This topic used to be discussed daily.<br />We are at war after all.<br />Seems to me it is the most significant thing affecting our country right now (particularly when soldiers continue to die).<br />People seem to think that applying a "god bless our troops" ribbon sticker to the back of their gas guzzler is payment enough to offset the huge debt they are paying over there.<br />I won't resort to petty name calling, but I simply don't agree with you.
 

OperativeK

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Don't agree with what exactly? I didn't state that I was for or against the war in Iraq. I simply made the statement that I was a veteran and had a long history of veterans in my family who have made sacrifices.<br /><br />Did you happen to know any of the dead? If not then I don't think it is your right to come here and talk under the pretence of what is the best for them and our country when you have no understanding or comprehension of why soldiers volunteer for that type of duty.<br /><br />I am a Navy vet and if you don't happen to know what flag flew on the first Navy vessel look it up. Then read it, then try to understand it. Tradition, Patriotism, Honor, and Sacrifice. <br /><br />You should show more respect for those who have died in war than using the statistics to come here and try to persued people with your own hypocritical gargone.
 

gaugeguy

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You hear a lot about the number of casualties on the news every day, I think the last I heard it was a little above 1700. I do agree that one is too many, but I would rather have our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines fighting terrorists on foriegn soil than on our own.<br /><br />Since we began the war in Iraq, there have been 0 terrorist attacks on our soil, so I say we are winning the war. If you were to tell people when the war started we are going to fight for a few years, and we will lose 1700 men in two years, I think most would agree that would be an acceptable number (remember I said 1 is still a terrible loss).<br /><br />In the last 65 years, there have been days where more American servicemen have died in a day than in the last 2 years in Iraq. 3000 Americans died on Sept. 11th. Servicemen take the oath to fight to protect our country, they are doing their job and doing it admirably. It would help their morale more to know that we believe in what they are doing, than to be having arguments about pulling them out.<br /><br />When I left the middle east 14 years ago, I knew we would be back within a few years. Being that close to total victory and being yanked out before the job was done has always chewed at me. Let those guys do their job and support them so they can finish the job completely. It would suck to pull out now and be back in there 10 years from now.
 

Elmer Fudge

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Huh! Here we go again :rolleyes: so theriver did'nt flow into the ocean afterall :p :D
 

Mod4

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

Simmer down fellas. Let's just take a moment to thank these young men and women for their services and the extreme sacrifices they and their families have made in this war.
 

OperativeK

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Re: Since nobody talks about it anymore...(Iraq)

My sentiments exactly. I don't know why I bothered to say anything. Sometimes I just get suckered in.
 
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