Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

chrispret

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Hi everyone,

Sorry for jumping in with a "Should I..." post, but here goes.

We're new to boating, have 2 kids 5 and 9, and are looking at buying this boat. We're planning to use it for messing around on the lake, cruising, tubing and fishing. IF it's not too much of a lemon, will it be OK for that? And on the topic of lemons, what should I be looking out for? I've been in it once and it seems OK for a 30 year old boat, upholstery is cracked but that can be replaced, will take her out for a run and maybe do a compression test.

Bayliner-Capri-cuddy

I'm not paying asking price, and I'm familiar with engine work, so unless the block is really bad I should be able to fix it...

Opinions please?
 

H20Rat

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

For your purposes, a cuddy probably isn't best. There isn't much cabin room, no head, and not much cockpit room either. With 4 people on board, you will be comfortable. If your kids bring a friend or two, things are going to get crowded. Also, people expect to spend time in the cuddy, but what they don't tell you is that the cuddy is also a greenhouse if the sun is out and its even halfway warm. They can get HOT!! I'd take a close look at what you want in a boat and very carefully consider if that is a cuddy.

Outside if that, a 125hp I/O on that boat is going to be one huge underpowered dog! You are going to be holding it wide open and praying a little to get the thing up on plane in a reasonable time.
 

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

I've got a newer version of the same boat (1993). I just picked it up last fall, and I've only got a couple of trips on it, so my experience so far is limited. I wanted a cuddy mainly for the ability to carry a porta-potty. There's not a ton of room, but we do have enough for the potty. I've always had a bit of a "personal endurance" issue, and I like not having to run to shore for certain activities. Our cuddy seems pretty reasonable if we keep the hatch cracked so there's some airflow. The cuddy will interfere with fishing toward the front of the boat, and it complicates docking and anchoring a bit. I do think that I might go for a bow-rider if I wanted to carry more than four or five people.

The new deck could either be good or bad, depending on whether the previous owner did a thorough restoration of all the rotted wood, or just covered up a problem. One of the big problems with these older Bayliners (and older boats in general) is wood rot caused by moisture, particularly in moist climates. The Bayliners in the 80s and at least early 90s didn't do a great job of sealing the undersides of the decks, and they do tend to accumulate water below the deck and rot out (in fairness, most of the typical boats of the era aren't that much better). This can spread to the transom, bulkheads, stringers, etc. You can find a lot of information in the restoration forum on this topic. I would check all the exposed wood that you can find for evidence of wetness or rot, particularly around the engine compartment, engine mounts, floor lockers and the back end of the gas tank. Also check the transom for cracking or any evidence of distortion. You may be able to thump on things to see if it sounds solid as well. Most people will tell you to get the boat surveyed. I'd heartily agree, IF you have a surveyor available in your area. For our area, I would have needed to bring one in from about 600 miles away, and I went ahead and took a chance.

Also, cracked blocks can be a big issue in the northern area. Look carefully for significant water in the oil, evidence of cracks in the block, etc. Also, check the various fluids (trim reservoir, outdrive lube, etc) to the extent possible. I personally prefer to see lightly used oil in the engine rather than new, so I know the new oil is not hiding a problem. I would definitely recommend that you insist on a reasonable sea trial before you buy. I'd put at least a half hour to an hour on the water just to check things out. I would re-check the oil for signs of water afterwards (after things have cooled down).

As to the characterization of the boat as "underpowered", I'd respectfully beg to differ. It really depends on what you're planning to do with it. I've got the 3.0 Mercruiser on mine, which is comparable. With four adults, it gets up on plane almost immediately (maybe 5 seconds or so), and I'm hitting around 40 mph at an altitude of 6000 feet. You won't be doing any competition water skiing with it, but it will pull a single skier or a tube just fine. I would have liked a larger engine (I'm like most people that way), but I do like the economy of the smaller four cylinder.

Overall, the Bayliner is a consumer grade boat. I think for a family that's going to use it on lakes and rivers, the quality is acceptable, particularly at the price. That's my opinion, and OH BOY will you find some others on this forum.

Good luck and good boat hunting.

Carl
 

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FastFission

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

I should also mention that there are some great threads on deck/structural issues in the restoration forum. There are at least two people restoring Bayliner cuddys right now that could tell you a lot on the topic. I believe you should be able to search up several older restoration threads for Bayliners of this vintage.

Carl
 

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

You bigger concern may be structural issues with a boat of that age. You should check the transom and the stringers for rot, etc. A soft spot on the floor is a telltale to rot down below.
 

chrispret

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

Thanks for the input everyone.

The new'er floor is probably hiding some stuff. I tried to check the stringers, but from what I've read it is hard to say if the stringers are ok without some drilling. Something the current owner is not very keen on, for some reason. Maybe he doesn't trust me, the guy who is new to boating and wants to drill holes in his stringers... lol

I looked for soft spots on the floor and in the cuddy but couldn't find any. So who knows what is happening down there. Is it even possible to look? I couldn't find a way other than the inside of the engine compartment and in the bow under the cuddy to even see the stringers, and the fibreglass around the stringers seems ok in the spots where I can get to them, for what that's worth.

The transom seemed ok, but I didn't know what to look for. I will have to take another look at it, but from a few other threads on here it seems that it is hard to say if the transom is ok without some destructive testing... Again, I don't think the current owner is too keen on me drilling into the transom.

FastFission is right about the cuddy. It's primary purpose would be for storing stuff (and a place for a porta-potty for the kids) so we could camp next to the water or to sleep in if we do an overnight trip. We'd obviously have to plan our trips so they end at a place with proper facilities... I don't particularly like the cuddy, but my wife does, and sometimes you need to compromise.
 

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

It is hard to make out in the Photos.
The Motor is stated as Volvo, What Make is the 1985 Outdrive?
 

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

It is hard to make out in the Photos.
The Motor is stated as Volvo, What Make is the 1985 Outdrive?
Says right in the ad that it is a Volvo Penta and you can see it in the picture.

Personaly, I wouldn't buy that boat. I had the 87 21' version of that boat that I sold to my neighbor in 2002 for $2500 in very good condition. It had a 5.0L engine in it.
 

tpenfield

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

Thanks for the input everyone.

The new'er floor is probably hiding some stuff. I tried to check the stringers, but from what I've read it is hard to say if the stringers are ok without some drilling. Something the current owner is not very keen on, for some reason. Maybe he doesn't trust me, the guy who is new to boating and wants to drill holes in his stringers... lol

I looked for soft spots on the floor and in the cuddy but couldn't find any. So who knows what is happening down there. Is it even possible to look? I couldn't find a way other than the inside of the engine compartment and in the bow under the cuddy to even see the stringers, and the fibreglass around the stringers seems ok in the spots where I can get to them, for what that's worth.

The transom seemed ok, but I didn't know what to look for. I will have to take another look at it, but from a few other threads on here it seems that it is hard to say if the transom is ok without some destructive testing... Again, I don't think the current owner is too keen on me drilling into the transom.

FastFission is right about the cuddy. It's primary purpose would be for storing stuff (and a place for a porta-potty for the kids) so we could camp next to the water or to sleep in if we do an overnight trip. We'd obviously have to plan our trips so they end at a place with proper facilities... I don't particularly like the cuddy, but my wife does, and sometimes you need to compromise.


Yes, I missed the comment about the new floor in the Ad. If it was put right over the old floor, then it is probably a rot bucket.

Probably the only way you can inspect is through the engine compartment and poke around at things with an ice pick or screw driver. Same thing with the transom. You should be able to see from the engine compartment if the new floor was laid right over the old floor.

As a seller, I would not let anyone drill into stringers, etc. There are other ways to determine if there is rot.
 

chrispret

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

Thanks everyone. After lots of talk and considering your input, we decided to pass up the boat. Will keep looking until we find something that works for us.
 

MarkSee

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Re: Should I buy this Bayliner Capri Cuddy...

Will keep looking.....

While you're looking, and since you are looking for an older lower cost trailer boat, call around and find a marine surveyor who will go with you and do a hull inspection and check for moisture/rot when you find the next one that passes your initial inspection. Yes it will cost a little, but you'll be ready.

Mark
 
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