Shore Power overheating problem

nblapaz

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50 amp 125/250 shore power connectors at dock keep overheating. I have replaced both the dock side and my side twice this year. This last time I had left my yacht 2 months basically without power only the refrigerator running. During my absence the shore power at dock overheated and shut down burning the inside connectors both dock and power cord. My mechanic watching the yacht replaced both ends and found an outlet inside the yacht that had damage from a water leak. Could the inside water on a hot plug cause the power at dock to overheat or should I suspect something at the dock?
 

rbh

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

I am thinking that heat is a by product of high resistance (or major amp draw), OHM out your ground.
 

nblapaz

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

I am thinking that heat is a by product of high resistance (or major amp draw), OHM out your ground.
Thanks for your suggestion I will try the OHM on the ground. Could the dock ground also be a problem? The boat is docked in Mexico
 

TerryMSU

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

I am thinking that heat is a by product of high resistance (or major amp draw), OHM out your ground.
The heat can only be where the resistance is. Thus resistance at the boat plug cannot cause heat at the dock side plug. Bad connection at the dock outlet or perhaps a minor lightning strike would account for overheating damage. If the dock side plug got wet, it could oxidize resulting in high resistance connections that would in turn get hot. Ground or hot connection would have the same overheating effect, but only on that specific connection. The heat COULD conduct thermally to the other terminal, but likely the first thing to go would be the connector itself (as is apparently what failed).

Major amp draw would of course cause overheating, but why would that clear itself. One possible thought is that if the line voltage went very low, the stalled compressor motor would look esentially like a short circuit and overheat. When the voltage returned to normal, the motor would run noramlly, the current would return to normal and the issue (over current) would no longer be there.

Even so, the breaker should have tripped and shut down that load.

The more I think about it, the more I would be looking for a bad connection at the dock side plug or outlet.

One more piece of information... The resistances that you are looking for in your system are almost certainly very low. They will be too low to measure with an ohm meter. The best way to find a partial loss of continuity is to use a volt meter and measure across the suspected bad connection. If there is a relatively high voltage drop across the conection, you have likely found at least one issue. Sorry, but the definition of relatively high depends on how much current you are drawing and the size of the connector. I can't give you a better answer other that to compare with a similar connection. Even then, it is possible that both are bad. The other thing to do is to see if the connection gets thermally hot (as opposed to electrically hot). TURN THE LINE OFF BEFORE YOU TOUCH ANY LINE! (Frankly in Mexico, I would not trust it anyway. Who knows how it was wired?) Better yet use an IR non-contact thermometer and see if the immediate area is hot.

TerryMSU
 

sasto

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

Do you have an isolator or an Iso-Boost installed?
 

nblapaz

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

Thanks TerryMSU... I am thinking too that it is a bad connection due to the design of the connector at the dock. I originally could not fit my power into thier connector as it would not seat in far enough so I had to cut back the protective covering to get it to connect even still I would have problems with it not tight. I think this is the problem and anyone bumping the cord would cause it to short and overheat and maybe there may be some moisture getting in. I plan to talk to the marina and see if they will replace the connector with a more standard type that all plugs fit into correctly. Still then I may want to add some additional strapping on my cord as the boat next to me is a charter boat so many people are around the electrical connectors unplugging which maybe bump mine. I also plan to do your heat test you recommended. My yacht is set up with only an electrostatic shield transformer which does protect against surges in power which are common here.

Any other suggests are welcomed.

The heat can only be where the resistance is. Thus resistance at the boat plug cannot cause heat at the dock side plug. Bad connection at the dock outlet or perhaps a minor lightning strike would account for overheating damage. If the dock side plug got wet, it could oxidize resulting in high resistance connections that would in turn get hot. Ground or hot connection would have the same overheating effect, but only on that specific connection. The heat COULD conduct thermally to the other terminal, but likely the first thing to go would be the connector itself (as is apparently what failed).

Major amp draw would of course cause overheating, but why would that clear itself. One possible thought is that if the line voltage went very low, the stalled compressor motor would look esentially like a short circuit and overheat. When the voltage returned to normal, the motor would run noramlly, the current would return to normal and the issue (over current) would no longer be there.

Even so, the breaker should have tripped and shut down that load.

The more I think about it, the more I would be looking for a bad connection at the dock side plug or outlet.

One more piece of information... The resistances that you are looking for in your system are almost certainly very low. They will be too low to measure with an ohm meter. The best way to find a partial loss of continuity is to use a volt meter and measure across the suspected bad connection. If there is a relatively high voltage drop across the conection, you have likely found at least one issue. Sorry, but the definition of relatively high depends on how much current you are drawing and the size of the connector. I can't give you a better answer other that to compare with a similar connection. Even then, it is possible that both are bad. The other thing to do is to see if the connection gets thermally hot (as opposed to electrically hot). TURN THE LINE OFF BEFORE YOU TOUCH ANY LINE! (Frankly in Mexico, I would not trust it anyway. Who knows how it was wired?) Better yet use an IR non-contact thermometer and see if the immediate area is hot.

TerryMSU
 

nblapaz

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

Oh, I forgot to mention. I saw a new type of plug for shore power called a SmartPlug. This is something I would get but at this time they do not have it available for 50amp 125/250. Any input on this plug?
 

sasto

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Re: Shore Power overheating problem

Oh, I forgot to mention. I saw a new type of plug for shore power called a SmartPlug. This is something I would get but at this time they do not have it available for 50amp 125/250. Any input on this plug?

Have one......mucho dinero. About US$400.00. I don't see it solving your problem.

Booster is what is normally needed in that area. Voltage drop to your yacht is normally the culprit. There is a need to rectify the situation before most of the appliances, TV's, A/C's, battery chargers.......any AC equipment....take a dump

Good luck, nblapaz, and please, let me know the solution.
 
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