SCUPPERS location?

[Davidthehandyman]

i have an older i believe it to be a 2100 roamer II center console Privateer with a 88 evinrude model E88MSLCU on it. my question is i have scuppers and they are always under water except when i get up out of the water. I have plugs in it and its nearly imposible to drive and let go of the wheel to put the plugs out and let the water out off the deck. everything is original, i am only the second owner. the scuppers are flush with the deck, and as i have been told the boat should never be low enough for the scuppers to be under water. i should not need to plug the scuppers. is this true? someone said i may be water logged from water somehow getting under the deck? if i let it dry out for some time in my garage and then reseal the deck should that work? any help would be apreciated. i had a near disaster on the water, with my son on board. slowed down for some big waves and took one over the back of the boat, boat was near sinking, had to throttle up full and make for a shallow calm cove in order to bail it out. made it through ok but really, if the scuppers were above water line and not plugged would have never happened.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

Plugs in scuppers? Are you sure we're not talking about bilge drains? Scuppers either have a flap that closes with backpressure, or a ping-pong ball that blocks the hole with backpressure. Have you considered installing a bilge pump?

I wouldn't trust this on a moored boat, but...
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You shouldn't have had to beach and bail your boat. Simply keeping it on plane should've drained it.

Edit: I did a scupper search on the iboats Marine Store section and it shows a scupper adapter that installs over bilge drains. I see no value in such a thing. Scuppers do not seal all that well. They are nothing more than a valve to allow water to drain and prevent backwash from entering. Reliance below the waterline is foolhardy.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

Rethinking, I can see where a scupper could be installed below the waterline. If the floor it drains is above the waterline and the drains are hosed to scuppers lower than the water line, it should be okay.

 

[Bondo]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

someone said i may be water logged from water somehow getting under the deck? if i let it dry out for some time in my garage and then reseal the deck should that work?

That may well be the Issue with your hull,......
But,......
Allowing it to Dry Out in the garage will probably Not Help,.....
The Water will be Trapped in the Floation Foam,+ the Only Way to Fix that is Removal of the Foam...........

 

[18rabbit]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

Welcome to the forums!

I think what you are describing are deck drains. They are not scuppers and are not intended to be unplugged when the vessel is in the water. My Avon RIB has a pair of those in transom. When underway someone can pull the plugs and let the water drain from the boat but the plugs need to be back in place before we stop are we’re all getting very, very wet.

It’s all about the boat’s design. Water on the deck; what to do? Either it flow into the boat and eventually makes it way to the bilge and the bilge pump, or it flow over the side, out of the boat. Like all other small inflatable, my RIB does not have a bilge. So we either have to install a small pump at the transom, or do what we do…pull the plugs once we are underway.

If the deck of your boat is pretty much level when you are sitting in calm water, the vessel is not water logged. If it were water logged you would need a whole lot more time than a year or two in the garage to dry her out. If you could put your boat in a high heat, low humidity environment you might be able to get it to dry out in a couple decades.

It is not uncommon for water over the transom to swamp and sink a boat. It is unlikely scuppers are going to help in that situation. Experience, piloting skills, and avoiding water conditions that are beyond the boat’s design is the way to avoid that from happening.

Does you boat have a bilge pump and is it designed such that a small amount of water on the deck will find its way to the bilge pump?

 

[gss036]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

I think the biggest problem w/scuppers are, the older boats were not designed for all the heavy weight motors of this age and were not installed high enough.
I have "scuppers" on my 23 WA Seacraft and do not have problems, others have and it is because of the extra weight on the stern.

 

[Davidthehandyman]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

i though thats what scuppers were so when you get water in the boat it can flow out. the deck is suppose to be completely sealed. there are a couple 5" hatches to access the fuel tank but thats it, i took some pics and will try to attach them, don't know how to put them in my post. they are flush with the deck and go out the transom, they do have flaps on them. and ther is no extra weight on the boat, the engine is the original factory.

 

[tashasdaddy]

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David, posting picture, follow the link, but when the box show at the top left, back space the line until empty, then ctrl v, or paste.

http://forums.iboats.com/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=37;gtid=1179789

 

[scoutabout]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

I would add my voice to those that suggest it's key to stay out of situations that have the potential to suddenly put a crippling amount of water over the back.

No drainage or pump system is going to stand a chance against a square yard of water stepping on board and the extra ton of weight that goes with it.

 

[Davidthehandyman]

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here are my pics i can take more if any questionshttp://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s215/davethehandyman/DSCF0092-1.jpg
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[Bondo]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

Ayuh,.......

Those sure look like Scuppers for a Self-draining Cockpit...........

Which brings us back to the Question,........

Why is your boat sitting Soo Low in the Water,..??......

Was the Hull Designed Poorly,..??..
Or,.....
Has the boat Gained Too Much Weight,..??....

I'm Guessing it's the Latter...........

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

No, those are scupper adapters placed over drain holes. The waterline on that boat doesn't look unreasonable. Those drains weren't made for when you're on the water, just to let the water out when the boat is out of the water (or when on plane). Somebody put those adapters on. They're not factory. They keep backwash from entering, but don't seal nearly enough to keep still water from entering. Ball scuppers do a better job, the hole closes anytime water floats the ball. But still not a realiable seal.

Scupper Adapter

 

[scoutabout]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

I have the ball type and agree it isn't a perfect seal. The valves themselves sit just an inch or so above the water line when no one is on board. Wave and slosh action are constantly rattling the balls around and with each move a little water comes in. Of course most of it goes right back out again but it does make for a wet floor at the rear of the cockpit. This summer I will probably run with the plugs in then leave them out while it's moored during the week. At least until I can get a boat lift approved by Madame Chairperson of the Domestic Treasury...

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

when i was a kid the automatic drain plug while skiing. worked great. but of course the floor was allways wet from dripping suits and skis.

 

[18rabbit]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

No, those are scupper adapters placed over drain holes.

WillyBWright be right. They are drains that need to be plugged when the boat is in the water.

 

[ed/il]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

My scuppers are low also. Seems like a good way to sink a boat. I plugged mine and only open when washing boat or out of water. I cut a hole and piped the cockpit water to bilge pumps. Put a painters screen bag on end of pipe to catch dirt and debree. Works good. Also 4 pumps on 3 different batteries.

 

[studlymandingo]

Re: SCUPPERS location?

Here is a photo of the rear of my boat; as you can see, I have the ball-type scuppers and they are below the waterline. As has been mentioned before, they do let in a little amount of water when the boat is being sloshed; however the majority goes right back out. I will often put the plugs in from inside when sitting, but I always pull them out before getting underway.

I had the flapper-type scuppers like you have before, the ball-type are far superior.

While you are underway, I would recommend leaving the plugs out so if you do take on water, it can exit quickly through the deck drains.​