Saturated Foam

Handyman663

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I am recarpeting my 2000 Pro Deep V16 Tracker and have found saturated foam under the decking. Is today's foam better than that in 2000, or will it just re-soak? Riveted aluminum hulls leak. Captain, I considered this project last fall before winter closed in and I am following your advice and wonderful photos from your project. I am now in the middle of it and it is quite rigorous, but satisfying. I am coating all of the decking with a two part epoxy paint from Sherwin Williams and using exact matching carpet from *********.

Back to the flotation foam. Should I redo it and who is in the business? The closest marine dealers are 50 miles from me.
 

NYBo

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Re: Saturated Foam

The foam is there for safety. How safe do you want to be?

A riveted hull may be prone to leaking, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable.
 

81 Checkmate

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Re: Saturated Foam

do the foam yourself......US Composites has pour in foam.

I still have to do mine...i was waiting till it got warm weather to pour....it works better when it's hot.

Good Luck!
 

jigngrub

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Re: Saturated Foam

Remove your saturated foam, it adds water weight to your boat that slows it down and even more importantly saturated foam doesn't float.

Your foam isn't saturated because it's the foams fault, or even the boats fault... it's the owners fault because the boat has been neglected. Your foam has been exposed to water for a very long extended period of time which has caused the saturation. Foam doesn't suck up water like a sponge, nor does it become saturated overnight... or even after a couple of months of exposure, it takes a long time.

From the USComposites foam FAQ section:
14. Is this foam water resistant?

Yes, but with the following caveat. The foams that we sell are considered closed-cell, which means that each cell that makes up the foam structure is completely closed off from surrounding cells which prevents it from acting like a sponge. It is completely safe for this foam to be in contact with water for hours/days/weeks and even months with no adverse effects. However, it should never be submerged in contact with water permanently. Over a period of years the water contact can begin to soften the foam and cause it to lose its closed-cell status. This foam is designed primarily to be used as an insurance policy in case of damage/holes that could cause a vessel to lose buoyancy. Pinhole sized openings would essentially have no effect on the foam since the amount of exposure is so minimal but you should always make repairs as soon as possible to keep the foam effectiveness as good as possible. This will be the case with all after market closed-cell polyurethane foams and even manufacturer installed foams.

This is true with the foam that is/was in your boat, and all the other boats with saturated expanding foam we see on this site.

To keep your foam dry, keep your boat covered and the inside dry with the bilge plug pulled when it's not in use. Pulling the bilge plug is one of the biggest things, it drains the water from the bilge that will saturate your foam if left exposed to it. If you leave your boat docked or moored on the water make sure to have an automatic bilge pump to pump out any water that accumulates and keep it covered too.

I have a '97 Tracker Pro Deep V 17 I bought new, I've kept it covered with the plug out and the foam is bone dry and floats my boat a little better than this because my motor isn't as big as the one on this boat:
Lund Boat Floatation Video - YouTube

I know it floats my boat this well because I occasionally forget to put the plug back in before launching and will fish all day with the plug out only to discover what I did when I pull the boat out of the water and lake water shoots out of the plug hole like a firehose.:laugh:

The expanding urethane foam is the best foam to use because it bonds itself to the hull and won't rattle or squeak when walk on or the boat is under power, it also doesn't depend on the decking to hold it in the boat should the boat fill with water.

The pink and blue extruded polystyrene rigid sheet foam insulation is a popular floatation foam used with a lot of resto on this forum, it's a little less expensive than the expanding foam and easy to work with. It's also closed cell and takes a very long time to saturate.

Pool noodles are also used in some restos here, they're easy to work with but have the least floatation value of the 3 kinds of foam and are the most expensive to use because of the lacking floatation value.

I have some tips and trick for working with the expanding foam if you're interested in using it, if you need any help just give a holler.
 

Handyman663

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Re: Saturated Foam

Thanks for the advice. I'll explore the US Composites foam. I do always cover my boat and store with the plug out, but it does leak a fair amount. I have had the boat for 4 yrs and have no idea its previous care. I found one egregious rivet while the center decking is out and I can seen the aluminum hull. That one is water tight now, but I am still leaking from the bow area and have not removed that decking yet. Thanks for all of your help and advice. One more question jigngrub: Did you have a devil of a time getting the steering console re-installed? I have mine tacked in for temporary use, but having a hard time to get it seated like it was.
 

jigngrub

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Re: Saturated Foam

Thanks for the advice. I'll explore the US Composites foam. I do always cover my boat and store with the plug out, but it does leak a fair amount. I have had the boat for 4 yrs and have no idea its previous care. I found one egregious rivet while the center decking is out and I can seen the aluminum hull. That one is water tight now, but I am still leaking from the bow area and have not removed that decking yet. Thanks for all of your help and advice. One more question jigngrub: Did you have a devil of a time getting the steering console re-installed? I have mine tacked in for temporary use, but having a hard time to get it seated like it was.

Do a leak test on your boat after you remove the foam and before installing new foam. Fill you bilge with several inches of water with the boat on the trailer and look underneath the boat for any leaking rivets, seaks or cracks in the hull. Mark all leaks and repair before installing new foam.

Leaking rivets are easiest fixed like this:
1989 Sylvan Boat Rebuild Part 4 - YouTube

Leaking seams are best fixed by applying Gluvit to the seam on the inside of the hull.

Cracks in the hull are best fixed with a patch applied to the inside or outside of the hull like in this thread:
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restoration-building-hull-repair/tracker-hull-damage-lots-536250.html

For the console, I never really moved it completely. I just removed the base and hung the upper portion from a 2x6:



The first time I redid my carpet I didn't check the positioning good enough before bolting it back down and had a larger than I would like crack between the console and gunwale. When I changed over to vinyl I checked the positioning well before bolting it down and it looked better.

So it goes to say, don't get in too big of a hurry when putting your boat back together... step back and take a look before fastening stuff down.
 
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