Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Toddavid

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Low tide on the Chesapeake can get very skinny, and even with GPS I have been caught out a couple times.

How trimmed up on the drive is safe at fast idle speed to move the boat out of a jam?

Is fully trimmed up a no-no for the u-joints at that speed? If so, then what trim is safe at that speed?

Bravo 3.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Low tide on the Chesapeake can get very skinny, and even with GPS I have been caught out a couple times.

How trimmed up on the drive is safe at fast idle speed to move the boat out of a jam?

Is fully trimmed up a no-no for the u-joints at that speed? If so, then what trim is safe at that speed?

Bravo 3.

The big concern is making sure you don't trim it up so high that the fresh water intake isn't out of the water, would only take 30 seconds to burn out your impeller.. If you have a trim guage, I'd try trimming it up (while docked) and check and see how high you can trim it without the intakes are out of the water and take a mental note of what the trim guage is reading, just make sure to not get any higher than that.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Water intakes on Bravo 3 are close to the leading edge of the lower unit, so no issues there. Most interested in stress on the u-joints. Not sure if the fully trimmed up position is for towing or is the actual safe limit of the joints.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

MerCruiser recommends that when running the engine with the drive raised above trim limit to not exceed idle RPM and to limit operation to as short a time as possible.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

MerCruiser recommends that when running the engine with the drive raised above trim limit to not exceed idle RPM and to limit operation to as short a time as possible.

Ok, but can you explain what upper "trim limit" is? Is that the middle hashmark on my trim gauge, halfway between up and down?
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Ok, but can you explain what upper "trim limit" is? Is that the middle hashmark on my trim gauge, halfway between up and down?

Ayuh,... That's where the Trim switch quits, 'n ya gotta use the Trailer button to go higher,....
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Ayuh,... That's where the Trim switch quits, 'n ya gotta use the Trailer button to go higher,....

Excellent! I will admit that I never did a visual to see if the throttle trim switch raised the drive higher than the trailer button.

I have noticed that my throttle switch seems to have a "sticky" point, where I need to push it harder/a second time to raise the drive even higher. I've noticed that happen from pushing it and thinking I reached the upper limit and then seeing the drive not all the way up after pulling it out of the water.

Does the trim switch on the throttle have a "two phase" action to it by any chance, or is mine just sticky?

And as long as I use the trim on the throttle and don't see it any higher than the top hash mark on my trim gauge, I am safe to run at fast idle?
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Just to confirm that your trim limit is stopping where it should be, you trim up till it stops, should have 21 3/4" on the ram.
DO NOT Go by the gauge. Use the trim limit as the max limit with trim. If you use the trailer button, slow down to idle rpm.


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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Thanks, Don, and sorry to beat a dead horse here, but last question:

Assuming that I confirm that my top position using the trim button on throttle results in 21 3/4" of ram length, am I ok using *any* throttle amount at that point? I am within the ok limits of the u-joints at anything 21 3/4" or shorter on the rams?
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Thanks, Don, and sorry to beat a dead horse here, but last question:

Assuming that I confirm that my top position using the trim button on throttle results in 21 3/4" of ram length, am I ok using *any* throttle amount at that point? I am within the ok limits of the u-joints at anything 21 3/4" or shorter on the rams?

Yes, you are fine for all speeds at full trim up. It's just above that you need to slow down.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Great! Thanks so much for clarifying that. Seems to be a lot of confusion out there on this topic.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Great! Thanks so much for clarifying that. Seems to be a lot of confusion out there on this topic.


It shouldn't be, unless people use the wrong terminology.

TRIM is the distance the drive moves from full down until you come to the trim limit.
TILT is above the trim limit.

So, when people ask "Can I run with my drive TRIMMED all the way up", the answer is yes they can.

If they ask "Can I run with my drive TILTED all the way up" the answer is no you shouldn't do that.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

I moor my boat in skinny water (about 3 feet depth at low tide).

So, out of necessity, I run the outdrives at about 3/4 tilt and at idle RPM (600 or so) . . . but don't tell anybody. :eek:

I would not run the outdrives in the full up position, because the u-joints will get mad. And I would not go above idle speeds if the outdrive is up in the 'tilt' range.

If need be, and when you have the opportunity, take a look at what tilt angle on your trim gauge gets your outdrive reasonably close to the level of your keel . . . that way you have an idea of how far you really need to tilt the outdrives to improve the draft of your boat in skinny water situations.

Another thing you can do in skinny water is have folks go up to the bow while you go through it at idle speeds. That way you won't have to tilt as much.

My biggest concern when traversing shallow water is hitting a rock or a mooring anchor/chain or something. You would want the skeg to make contact rather than the props, particularly with a bravo 3. So, you should have an idea of how far you need to tilt the outdrive to get the props up out of harms way.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

It shouldn't be, unless people use the wrong terminology.

TRIM is the distance the drive moves from full down until you come to the trim limit.
TILT is above the trim limit.

So, when people ask "Can I run with my drive TRIMMED all the way up", the answer is yes they can.

If they ask "Can I run with my drive TILTED all the way up" the answer is no you shouldn't do that.

I prefer to use proper terminology, so thanks for the education. I think the word "trim" is indeed being used as a catch-all out there for all the up-down action of the drive, hence the confusion.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

What about on drives that do not have a separate tilt and trim setting (like my VP SX-A)? I only have my one trim switch which is on the control.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Then you don't have a tilt trim option.
If you have to trim up for shallow water higher than you normally run, then slow the engine down to idle.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

Thanks. I wish I had some sort of indication of a max trim up position while running or at idle.
 

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Re: Safe to run drive fully trimmed up?

That's exactly what I'd like to know for my OMC Cobra. I need a value in degree as my gauge is inop.
 
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