JustJason
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Okay Iboaters.... i'm from new england... and i do consider myself fairly liberal. But i also consider myself having common sense. Which leads me to my question.... and later a link to the story.
What are you views on firearms?
Is it a right to own? or a priveledge?
Where do you folks draw the line?
My own views...... are that....
It is a half right and half priveledge to own and carry firearms, and by that I mean semi automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I do draw the line at full auto, as I do not see a reason for the "AVERAGE JOE" to need full auto anything.
When I was 13-14 I was taught firearm safety and marksmanship in the boyscouts. We started with air rifles and moved to .22's and .410 shotguns. This included class time and range time.
When I was 15 I took the Massachusettes hunter saftey course, which was another course in saftey and hunting rules. This got me my FID card or basically rifle permit, at 15 in massachusettes. This class was only class time, no range time.
When I was 25 I took a Massachsuettes certified NRA semi-sponsored pistol/concealed carry course. This got me my "Class "A" license to carry concealed large capacity firearms" in Massachusettes. In a nutshell a pistol permit.
Now getting back to my views.... I believe that......
1. If you are a convicted felon... then you have no business carrying firearms for quite some time after your conviction..... but if it's years and years later... then individually felons can petition the courts if they feel the need to have a permit. (for example you screwed up in your 20's but now your 50 and legit and have a legit reason for having one)
2. If you, at the age of 15, and have commited no felonies.... If you take and pass a hunter safety course (with class time and range time) you should be permited to have a license for single shot/pump/bolt rifles and shotguns for the purpose of hunting only. This would be a license that would allow the young hunter to be in the woods with such firearm during hunting seasons. However, The individual would not be allowed to purchase firearms or ammunition. The purchaser would have to have a parent or legal gardian that takes the same hunter course with the kid, and that gardian is to be held semi liable for the actions of the kid. It splits the responsibility of firearm safety. And if the parent doesn't think the kid should hunt then the parent doesn't sign off on it.... and no permits issued.
3. If at the age of 18, and if you have commited no felonies. You should be allowed to take a state run pistol course for all firearms except for full auto's. And by this I mean a real course.... not a few hours on a sunday and you get a permit on monday. Maybe something a month long..... in which its 4 to 5 hours a class. and 4 to 5 classes. My massacusettes class was this long. If you can pass all the written exams, show firearm safety and proficiency on a range, and the class instructor has no objections because of odd behavior..... then it is the right of the citizen to be permitted to carry/own firearms. But I also believe that the police/permitting agency to have the right to be able to perform a drug test at the time of licensing, and also have the right to perform random drug testing every year or so.... and to pull the license of anybody who fails it. And by drug testing I don't care about a little dope.... I care about the person with serious narcotics in their system carrying guns.
That are my views in a nutshell.... I believe them to be pretty fair... and not unreasonable.
Which leads me to the story and the link to it.......
http://wbztv.com/local/boy.shot.with.2.849254.html
Dad brings 8 year old kid to a full auto gun show..... on some kind of range.
Dad gives the 8 year old and uzi.... and the kid fires it.... and the full auto recoil bumps the muzzle up and the kid shoots himself in the head. Kid dies a day or 2 later.
Now i'm all about being a smart/responsible/educated firearm owner....... and on top of that common sensed.
But Seriously...... WHAT THE HELL???????????????????????????? Who gives an 8 year old an UZI??????? I don't care how liberal or conservative you are..... most of you folks have common sense. I'm sure firing an UZI is a thrill..... And i'm sure flying an F-15 is a thrill as well....... But they don't let everyone fly F-15's..... and for good reasons.
Sad story..... Ignorant arse of a parent....... Anyone have thoughts?
What are you views on firearms?
Is it a right to own? or a priveledge?
Where do you folks draw the line?
My own views...... are that....
It is a half right and half priveledge to own and carry firearms, and by that I mean semi automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I do draw the line at full auto, as I do not see a reason for the "AVERAGE JOE" to need full auto anything.
When I was 13-14 I was taught firearm safety and marksmanship in the boyscouts. We started with air rifles and moved to .22's and .410 shotguns. This included class time and range time.
When I was 15 I took the Massachusettes hunter saftey course, which was another course in saftey and hunting rules. This got me my FID card or basically rifle permit, at 15 in massachusettes. This class was only class time, no range time.
When I was 25 I took a Massachsuettes certified NRA semi-sponsored pistol/concealed carry course. This got me my "Class "A" license to carry concealed large capacity firearms" in Massachusettes. In a nutshell a pistol permit.
Now getting back to my views.... I believe that......
1. If you are a convicted felon... then you have no business carrying firearms for quite some time after your conviction..... but if it's years and years later... then individually felons can petition the courts if they feel the need to have a permit. (for example you screwed up in your 20's but now your 50 and legit and have a legit reason for having one)
2. If you, at the age of 15, and have commited no felonies.... If you take and pass a hunter safety course (with class time and range time) you should be permited to have a license for single shot/pump/bolt rifles and shotguns for the purpose of hunting only. This would be a license that would allow the young hunter to be in the woods with such firearm during hunting seasons. However, The individual would not be allowed to purchase firearms or ammunition. The purchaser would have to have a parent or legal gardian that takes the same hunter course with the kid, and that gardian is to be held semi liable for the actions of the kid. It splits the responsibility of firearm safety. And if the parent doesn't think the kid should hunt then the parent doesn't sign off on it.... and no permits issued.
3. If at the age of 18, and if you have commited no felonies. You should be allowed to take a state run pistol course for all firearms except for full auto's. And by this I mean a real course.... not a few hours on a sunday and you get a permit on monday. Maybe something a month long..... in which its 4 to 5 hours a class. and 4 to 5 classes. My massacusettes class was this long. If you can pass all the written exams, show firearm safety and proficiency on a range, and the class instructor has no objections because of odd behavior..... then it is the right of the citizen to be permitted to carry/own firearms. But I also believe that the police/permitting agency to have the right to be able to perform a drug test at the time of licensing, and also have the right to perform random drug testing every year or so.... and to pull the license of anybody who fails it. And by drug testing I don't care about a little dope.... I care about the person with serious narcotics in their system carrying guns.
That are my views in a nutshell.... I believe them to be pretty fair... and not unreasonable.
Which leads me to the story and the link to it.......
http://wbztv.com/local/boy.shot.with.2.849254.html
Dad brings 8 year old kid to a full auto gun show..... on some kind of range.
Dad gives the 8 year old and uzi.... and the kid fires it.... and the full auto recoil bumps the muzzle up and the kid shoots himself in the head. Kid dies a day or 2 later.
Now i'm all about being a smart/responsible/educated firearm owner....... and on top of that common sensed.
But Seriously...... WHAT THE HELL???????????????????????????? Who gives an 8 year old an UZI??????? I don't care how liberal or conservative you are..... most of you folks have common sense. I'm sure firing an UZI is a thrill..... And i'm sure flying an F-15 is a thrill as well....... But they don't let everyone fly F-15's..... and for good reasons.
Sad story..... Ignorant arse of a parent....... Anyone have thoughts?
