Sad Day for Those Who Make 65 or Over

[alden135]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> <br /> It is SO INFREQUENT that ANYBODY in DC agrees with me, <br /><br />

Next inaccurate leap please

 

[Haut Medoc]

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The point is: People who have paid into it their whole lives should not get the shaft, now that it is time to reap what they have sown.....There are those who feel that this "entitlement" is not as important as, say: Spending billions in Iraq & other foreign aid....Not necessarily limited to those two categories.....Social security & medicare have been raped & when the bill comes due, the gubment wants to renig on the promises that the money was initially collected for.....Since when is collecting the "interest" from your loan a bad thing?.....JK

 

[QC]

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Still need that hotkey.<br /><br />LOL@alden

 

[txswinner]

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JB, Remember the left wing grenade chunking liberal, my remarks were sarcasium pointed at "42" remark about taking away from his family.<br /><br />Your generation (if older than me) gave my generation a great life of opportunity, freedom, and ability to succeed over our parents like no generation before.<br /><br />The folks in their 70's and 80's were the true blue Americans and perhaps too good to their children; that would be me, GW, Slick Willie,etc.<br /><br />Our generation of greed both personal and corporate to own the biggest and best and to heck with those not as blessed as we has corrupted our society. Yes I think the morals and family life of the 50's and 60's was much better than today.

 

[JB]

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Sorry if I misunderstood your remarks, txs.<br /><br />I do have a short fuse when it comes to complainers, and I sometimes am inclined to shoot from the hip.<br /><br />The "my generation" I refer to was born from the middle 20s to the middle 30s. We were lucky to have enough to eat and to have shoes to wear to school in the winter. Some of us went to war and the rest of us spent our nickles and dimes on war bonds and said our nightly prayers for our dads, brothers and uncles who were bleeding and dying for our freedom.<br /><br />That was OUR war, not the President's war or the Military's war. We were all in it in whatever way we could find.<br /><br />That experience forged our character and our values. <br /><br />That's why we get so cranky (derived from the german "krank", sick) with those who would make everyone dependent on the government and complain so that they aren't getting the handouts they want when they want it.<br /><br />The changes that the media are so fond of calling "cuts" are not reductions in spending, they are reductions in INCREASES from past years. All of those government givaway programs will get more money than they got before, just not as much as the liberals want. After all, they gotta buy votes somehow, don't they?

 

[txswinner]

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JB, IMO Medicare is not a handout. 42 reflects I am ill informed because those who raised me are collecting "Medicaid" not so it is "Medicare" totally different program.<br /><br />My seniors are not getting a darn thing they did not earn with sweat, blood and honest effort to give my generation the very best.<br /><br />I am willingly to pay whatever it takes to see that my seniors get the medical care they need and deserve.<br /><br />Sir, I am a business owner with a good number of employees. Many are unhappy about the Social Security deduction. I explain I match their contribution and if our seniors had not been committed to us and our future generations we would not have the good fortune we have.<br /><br />I know this sounds liberal left wingy to many but it is my sincere belief that no senior should have to go without care or break pills in half to survive. That is my take on the whole deal.

 

[JB]

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We agree, txs.<br /><br />Medicare is insurance, not a handout. So is Social Security. I would be embarrassed to accept a handout, but then I have never been overwhelmed by circumstances.<br /><br />I could make a speech here about self reliance and resourcefulness, but I wont. Too many people think it is gobbledegook. To me, it is the flip side of freedom and liberty.<br /><br />Back to the budget, and "cuts". It is the same people who are screaming about our "spendthrift" administration who are screaming about controlling the INCREASES in spending on entitlement programs.<br /><br />We are at war. We need to spend what it takes to prosecute that war to victory. It is not just one more thing we have to spend for, it is the MAIN thing we have to spend for. Katrina and her pals haven't helped any, either.<br /><br />To allow the traditional jumps in entitlement budgets in the current environment would be irresponsible.<br /><br />SS and Medicare? They should NEVER have been blended in with the general revenue and spending. They should be completely free standing and pay their own way. Check on who it was that raided the SS trust fund to fund general spending. It sure as pecalumer wasn't a conservative. <br /><br />BTW, don't label me a Republican or a conservative. I am a Libertarian and have many disagreements with the far right as well as the left.

 

[Mark42]

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Oops, my bad. <br /><br />I apologize for not knowing what the heck I was talking about. <br /><br />Did a little research and realized my post was incorrect.<br /><br />Carry on...

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br />Our generation of greed both personal and corporate to own the biggest and best and to heck with those not as blessed as we has corrupted our society. Yes I think the morals and family life of the 50's and 60's was much better than today.

I gotta wonder---are you so naiive as to believe our society was in any way "pure" during the 50s and 60s? When was our society not corrupt?<br /><br />An understanding of economics without the leftist slant might go a long way toward soothing your bitterness, and you could accept your gross failures and put the blame squarely where it belongs---on your own self!<br /><br />It must really suck to go through life looking around, seeing all the people who progress and succeed on their own, and waiting for the government to give you a sympathetic handout because you can't make it on your own.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

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Slightly off topic, but tied in to the big picture. Let's just say that the U.S. government was run like a business or for that matter, most people or families (you have only so much coming in, and you have to decide where to spend it, the output cannot exceed the income). Where do you cut ? In the wake of what this country has went through in the last 4 years ( 911, every single hurricane, the war in Iraq, etc) does anyone think that possibly we should be looking at the foreign aid we hand out ? Besides me, does anyone else think it is reasonable for us to say "sorry Africa, we pledged that 15 billion for aids relief before hurricane Katrina " ? That is only an example, I have no idea how much we spend every year in foreign aid, but I know it is sizeable, when do we get to say " things are rough here, we need to take a year off" ? When we are making tough decisions about how to take care of our senior citizens (who built this country) when should we say "we need to take care of our own" we'll help other countries when we can ?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I could have mentioned foreign aid in this thread somewhere, maybe......When you pay into something that the government insists on & there is an expected benefit thereof.....That is not a handout....That is collecting interest from your "savings".....If the Gubmit could keep their paws off s.s. & medicaid for uses other than that money is earmarked for, neither one would be in duress......IMHO....JK

 

[Skinnywater]

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I could make a speech here about self reliance and resourcefulness, but I wont.

To bad, because that system works better than Medicare and is much cheaper. Caring for family and charity completes the equation.<br />Essentially, any reliance on a government program like Medicare/SSI, etc., corrupts self-reliance, resourcefulness, family responsibility and charity.<br />These are far greater losses than the money involved.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

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This is directed to anyone that THINKS medicare and social security is some kind of aid or wellfare plan. It is Not ! Our seniors and even people today have a chunk taken out of their paycheck every week, this has been going on for decades. That money is supposed to be put asside for YOUR retirement. You and your employer paid our government to do this. That money is supposed to be yours when you reach retirement. It is not a hand out nor is it a social program....you paid in, when you hit 65....you should get it back....with interest ! For someone who turned 65 today, if they had every cent that they (and their employer) paid towards social security they could have invested it in the stock market or even mutual funds and would be close to a millionaire. I am not a financial expert, but I bet you that thousands of dollars per year, with dividends and compound interest at a rate similar to the average yearly stock market increase would make anyone that did this rich compared to what they will GET BACK from the government. Just to make things clear, a social program is something like food stamps or government housing. In that type of program someone who put NOTHING IN, gets something out. Think of the mother of 8 who never worked, does nothing but have babies with men who do not support them. They are all living in a house that we taxpayers are paying for, they are eating food that we taxpayers are paying for, her kids are going to schools that we taxpayers are paying for. The kids are on the school lunch program that we taxpayers are paying for. I could go on....but THAT IS WELLFARE......paying our seniors back for what they paid in IS NOT.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yes, that is what I say....Wateryone....If you pay into something....Especially something the government mandates.....Then you should get at least out of it what you signed up for......Not a hut in Cabo or Wakiki...But some healh care & maybe a place to stay.....Alot of people don't live long enough to collect 1 cent of what they have paid in & other POS have reaped well...I have firsthand knowledge of this.....I think that this person should be cut off.....She has really never produced anything & never will...& has sucked out a frightful amount of tax dollars on her behalf.......That nightmare is my would be mother in law....As stupid & worthless as she is....I Can't do it! I really don't know what to do with people who really nned medication to function ...If she can't get her meds, she will go to the emergency room....At taxpayers cost! There has to be a better way.....JK

 

[dogsdad]

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Whether or not someone has paid in to the government what they are getting out is of little importance. Federal government should get out of the business of looking after people altogether.<br /><br />Widows and orphans? Yeah, but let that be a local or state-level deal.

 

[txswinner]

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Dogsdad, I agree with you and need to get you to help me with my accountanting department. Our company pays taxes that some months looks like would support a small country. <br /><br />I started to rant but will not do so as it is Christmas, a time to worship the birth of a child, who grew to a man and spent his time with the poor and outcast. Jesus was not about money, wealth and power; he was about helping those in need, lifting those in ill health, he was about loving one another.<br /><br />I do not mind what you say of my liberal opines but I thank you for making me realize I do not do enough for others. I need to do more than just talk.<br /><br />Merry Christmas to all of you.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br />Jesus was not about money, wealth and power; he was about helping those in need, lifting those in ill health, he was about loving one another.

He also is not about class envy and trying to take away what belongs to others through legislative force.<br /><br />Merry Christmas to you too, txs.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Well said, Tex.... ...JK