Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

zenwriter

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When I got my year 2000 90 HP Johnson outboard last fall, a surveyor told me to change the thermostats as part of routine maintenance (probably never had been done). Had another mechanic do some work, and he said, "We don't recommend changing them unless you have a problem."

Engine runs fine, but I was wondering, should I change them or not? Would appreciate expert opinion.
 

Daviet

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

If you wait till you have a problem, it might be to late. Don't know where you are at, but it could cause some real problems to be stalled with an overheated engine.
 

b4odmnpl

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

I have strange story about a 90HP Johnson, 2000 year model that i believe is overheating.

Motor was running fine until my wife loaded our pontoon boat on the trailer last week. (It could have happened to me). I pulled the boat out of the water and found a black tube wrapped around the prop! At first glance, I thought we had inadvertently picked up some trash that got wound up around the prop. fI started looking closer and then realized it was my black hose! Was it the gas or the oil line? I soon discovered that it was my oil line from the oil reservoir, about 12 feet of hose, to the outboard motor. Well, I was in disbelief but strange things happen when i operate marine equipment. The oil line had gotten loose and fell down in the area in front of the motor between the 2 pontoons. Apparently, the force of the water on the hose pushed it out and under the lower unit and the rest...well,,,, the hose was wound up on the prop like a spool of fishing line on a reel! I cut the oil line loose and came back the next weekend with a new hose. I replaced the hose and started the engine...this is when the fun began. My mechanic told me, as a safety measure, to mix oil in the gas while running the engine after replacing the oil line to prevent the engine from running without lubrication. Good thing i did that because the No Oil Alarm on the dash board started going off and the light stayed on! It gets better...... thinking i had fixed the problem by replacing the oil line i try the boat and it runs but starts cutting out. I ran it at idle and WOT. It ran ok for awhile but every time i killed the engine and restarted the alarm routine and light would stay on for the duration of the run. It would run wide open ok but at speeds in between it started cutting out. I ran the engine with the muffs after that and the alarm kept doing the same thing. Now, all this time i'm thinking it's not getting oil from the reservoir but remember i added oil to the gas so...there must be something else going on.

After messing with the engine on muffs i discover that 2 of the cylinders are hot to the touch while the other 2 cylinders are just warm to touch. This was determined by running the motor on muffs at idle to fast idle. The no oil alarm light is lighting up while i hear a long steady alarm. The alarm starts after about a minute of running and the alarm sound stops after a one minute or so. The engine seems to run fine at idle. From what i've been reading i believe the long sounding steady alarm means the engine is overheating. Do I have that correct? now i'm thinking...ok...maybe the engine is getting plenty of oil but the thermostat for the left bank cylinders needs replacing. Is that a logical conclusion? I'm going to try and find out what thermostat fits my engine and replace. I am now convinced that the NO OIL ALARM indicates no oil OR overheating. Not sure how the thing is wired but that's the conclusion i've come to at this point.

Is there something else i should do here ??
 

Chris1956

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

The no oil alarm means you do not have oil at the OMS pump. Did you bleed the oil line when you replaced it? If not, it is time. Continue to run premixed fuel until the alarm shuts off.

When was the last time the waterpump was rebuilt? If you do not know, it is likely time to rebuild it. Sounds like you need a service manual.
 

b4odmnpl

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

"The no oil alarm means you do not have oil at the OMS pump. Did you bleed the oil line when you replaced it? If not, it is time. Continue to run premixed fuel until the alarm shuts off."

I bled the line to the engine cover; but, i didn't bleed the line from there to the oil inj. pump. Maybe i should try bleeding the short line to the oil injector.???? I do have a manual bulb pump on the oil line which feels tight to the squeeze.

When was the last time the waterpump was rebuilt? If you do not know, it is likely time to rebuild it. Sounds like you need a service manual."

3 yrs ago i rebuilt water pump. water pressure was so good its leading me to believe that some of the pressure is due in part to the water restriction on one side of the enginer, 2 cylinders. I will replace the T-stats today and see if the alarm stops popping off. Mechanic said the 2 alarms were not tied together for no oil and overheat. Guess i'll find out today.
 

JARED T

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

i have a 84, 40 hp and im glad i changed mine it looked like crap i feel better with a new one and the old one still opens up i checked it in a pot of hot water.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

The oil line should be one piece from the oil tank to the OMS Pump (OMS - Oil Metering System). Normally you disconnect the oil like and pump the oil primer bulb until there is no iar in the oil line. Now reconnect it to the OMS pump and pump it once more. Now run premix until you can verify the OMS pump is pulling oil from the tank.

Replace the thermostats before assuming blockage in the water passages, unless you have some reason to think there is blockage.
 

b4odmnpl

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Re: Routine thermostat replacement, 90HP Johnson

I will try purging the oil line all the way to the pump and see if that helps.

Txs for the comment.
 
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