Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

Gary Tuthill

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Hello all: We have a small '82 Glastron that we will be replacing an excellent running '82 Merc 90 on (I want less smoke, better fuel economy, less noise). What is the weight of my motor with tilt/trim? I've been quoted as the 320's. This motor is well maintained and in pristine condition if anyone's interested. We primarily ski/cruise with the boat. As it seems somewhat rear heavy right now, I don't want to add much weight on the extreme aft end if possible. I've been studying new motors and have settled, for the noted reasons, on a few models. Here I go:<br /><br />Ficht 90 or 115. Downside is the bankruptcy thing but I feel Bombardier will back this motor, period. The V-4's have been considerably more reliable than the V-6's so I don't see that as being an issue. Prices I've been quoted are mid 7k's. There should be no smoke, 2006 EPA compliant, fairly smooth, not as quiet as a four stroke but probably as efficient fuel-wise, and light at 350lbs. The best hole shot is a bonus. The 115 is 36lbs lighter than the next lightest 115 four stroker. <br /><br />Honda 90: A big plus is Honda's deserved reputation for quality and reliability. Downside is the weight issue (~385lbs on our small runabout), and the carb thing. For pulling skiers out of the hole it seems that EFI would do a better job. Other than the weight and carbs, I can't imagine that I'd be dissatisfied with the Honda. Prices are low 8k's. Their 115 is too heavy, period.<br /><br />Merc: They offer no DFI two strokes in this HP range. They do offer Yamaha powered 90 carb or 115HP (a longer stroked 90 powerhead I think) four strokes. The 115 comes in at the same weight as the 90, and offers EFI to boot. At ~386lbs (I'm working from memory here) it could be considered svelte. The downside is that I figure if I choose a Yamaha, I should in fact choose a Yamaha. Lots of good Merc dealers in the area though. Anybody have concrete opinions on the 115EFI, as in actually owning one?<br /><br />Suzuki: Too heavy for the horsepower class. Other than that, they look impressive. I did have a Suzuki powered snowmobile that put a sour taste in my mouth for that brand though. I know, I know, that's just one incident.....!<br /><br />Yamaha: Here's where I'm leaning. They don't offer a DFI two stoke in this range. They have an 80 and 100 carb four stroke and an EFI 115 four stroke. The 80/100 are 356lbs for next year, and the 115 comes in at 400. With only a six pound weight differential vs. the Ficht 90, and 10 more ponies, I figure the acceleration from stopped should be similar. I test rode a four stroke 100 yesterday and was pretty impressed. As with all of them, no smoke, quiet, and the holeshot was better than I expected. The slowness of the idle speed was also nice. I suspect that with the 100 making ten more ponies than my Merc 90 (probably more with the whole crank vs. prop thing) I'd see very similar acceleration from idle. On the downside, I did note a slight bog when first giving it full throttle. I understand that's not there on the EFI's? Probably I'd be happy with either the 100 or 115 but for only 600 bucks more (7 vs 7.6k) I think the 115 is worth it.<br /><br />Ok, thanks to every one who have waded through all my driveling on here. Your opinions are appreciated.<br />Gary Tuthill<br />'82 SSV-151<br />'82 Merc L6 90<br />Britt, MN
 

fone_man

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Re: Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

Dry weight on 1989 90 HP is 265 lbs w/ trim, so 50 or 60 lbs diffrence... so you are close.<br /><br />No engine is any better than the dealer that supports it... I would start with that in mind!!! check w/ BBB on complaints, resolutions, etc.. then I would start trying to choose engine.<br /><br />Because my thought is "it ain't a deal unless I have someone that is going to support me should I have a problem... Customer Service has got to be a prority"<br /><br />As for "Downside is the bankruptcy thing but I feel Bombardier will back this motor, period"... <br /><br />...Bankruptcy has a way of dealing someone a bad hand sometimes... if you get warranty great but if you can't get parts, etc., warranty isn't worth the paper it is written on!!! Plus your boat is sitting at the dock or worse, in your yard with spouse saying "I told you to get........"<br /><br />Also, opinions are like elbows, everyone has got two of them.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />------------------<br />"Keep It Between The Bouys" & "Good Luck"!!!<br /><br />fone_man
 

aban_esox

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Re: Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

Hey Gary;<br />Sounds to me like you have researched to the max. What dealer are you comfortable with. (Persoanally not familiar with Britt.) If you have a gem running now, I wouldn't be in any hurry to swap her now knowing that it's almost ready to put her in the barn(midwest you know). You may be coming in to the bargaining season so I guess it really does come down to who is going to treat you right and be there for you if a problem does awrise
 

John Wilson

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Re: Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

Hi Gary.<br />I also own a 1985 Glastron SSV-151. It is a great boat as you know. I'm running a '87 Force 85HP (which is actually only about 65-70 hp). I almost went with a used '92 OMC this year because of lower end problems but was able to find an honest wrench who re-machined a part instead of replacing a lot of parts. Long story.
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<br /><br />I did some research on new as well and was impressed with the OMC 90s. I believe that the SSV-151 is only rated for 90 hp so do you think a 115 hp is okay as well?<br /><br />Finally, what would you want for your '82 Merc? I might be interested as even though the Force has been pretty reliable so far, I'm sure that its going to start acting up soon and I'm done putting money into it.
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<br /><br />Good luck in you search and lets us know what you end up with and how it worked out.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />John<br /> <br /><br />------------------<br />John Wilson<br /><br />Timing is Everything
 

kev_79

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Re: Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

Since you have the money, I am sure you feel like a kid in a candy store. I have to agree with fone man, all of them weigh about the same, which would have been my first concern. Since they do, I would pick me out a stout stroker, and something with EFI. Honda, in my opinion, would be one of the top choices, but I would wait for EFI, or get a merc; yammi. Since all are so close, pick your service plan. All being same power, 4 stroke, and good names, the service will be what you are buying. Good Luck.<br /><br />BTW, I read somewhere where the DI's get better fuel economy than anything out there.
 

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Ahoy, Gary. Don't consider going over 90hp. Those ratings are assigned for good reasons.<br /><br />If I were you and had a sweet running Merc 90 I would stick with it. If I had new motor fever (been there) I would look closely at the Suzi/Evinrude EFI 70 (335#). I replaced a sweet running gas hog 'Rude 100 on my Boston Whaler 17' Montauk with a Suzi DF70 EFI and haven't regretted it for a minute. With the correct prop I am down about 6mph on top end (38 vs 44mph) but in everything below 35mph it performs as well, quietly, cleanly, smoothly and on about 40% as much fuel. My son has a Montauk also, powered by a 2000 Merc 90 2 stroke. My boat can do anything his can do up to about 38mph, where he pulls ahead to about 40mph. We both cruise at 3/4 throttle at 30 - 33mph.<br /><br />If you HAVE to have a new engine NOW, give that engine a look, and check out your local 'Rude and Suzi dealers for rep.<br /><br />Red sky at night. . . <br />JB
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Gary Tuthill

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Thanks to all for the info. I'll kick everything around this winter and probably make the plunge in the spring. It's a big decision for me so I've got to see all angles, hence my post.<br /><br />John Wilson: Yes, the SSV-151 with it's bucket/bench seating is truly a classic in my mind. Have you perused classicglastron.com? I don't know how far away you are in Wisconsin. I'm about 90 miles due north of Duluth so I assume it's too far for us to make a deal. Just FYI, I got the boat/motor this summer from a guy in ND. Everything on the boat and motor are nearly perfect but it did idle rough when I first got it. He said that it hadn't been in the shop in the 19 years he had it. I took it up to Frank's Marine in Orr, MN and told him to fix it, period. What he did is adjust all carbs, replace the fuel and water pumps, and one carb enricher circuit that was stuck on. When we got it back it ran like new and drank considerably less gas. He also tested the compression per my request, and told me it was "equal, and universally high on all cylinders". I didn't get the actual readings though. It has a Quicksilver 19" stainless steel prop. Email me at tuthill@rangenet.com if you'd like more information or photos.<br /><br /><br />JB: You're opinion is noted here as well. As for the Suzuki 70, I know it's a good unit but don't want to lose anything over the performance I currently have. Even with a well running 90 it's a stretch to pull my 11 or 12 year old sons out of the water with my lard butt on skis as well. If I could lose 80lbs that might be an option but I like beer too much. As for not going over HP ratings, I've got two cars that are capable of speeds over 100MPH but don't consider them inherantly dangerous. gt
 

JB

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Gary, you make a serious error in pooh-poohing hp ratings on boats. An over powered boat is at risk for: loss of control due to over-torquing, Jail time in the event of an accident, excessive insurance rates or refusal to insure.<br /><br />Your claim that you don't want to "lose any performance" suggests that you want to do lethally dangerous things with your children. As I explained, all you would lose is top end. Do you propose to tow your CHILDREN at 40 mph???<br /><br />If you think cars and boats are comparable you are in for a tragic education.<br /><br />May you be luckier than others.<br /><br />JB
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Gary Tuthill

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JB: I just read your well meaning reply again and feel compelled to respond. Your assertion that an overpowered boat is at risk for accident is well taken. Any boat is at risk for accident due to 'torque' or an infinite number of other reasons, operator negligence/error being right at the very top of that list. I concede as well that overpowering is certainly closer to the top than bottom. Note that I am not 'pooh poohing' anything, and am also looking at 90HP models here. As for 'jail time' however, I find that a bit of stretch at best. You cannot know anything about the degree of safety precautions I personally do or do not take while boating, so I naturally took mild offense at the assertion that I'm 'proposing to do lethally dangerous things with my children'. Rest assured that my boat even overpowered is safer than 99.9% of properly powered boats or I wouldn't let my children even in it. I cannot begin to tally all the safety related precautions I take continuously, including demanding the same from my wife and children (they're so tired of my lecturing). Again, keep in mind that I'm not talking of only putting a 115 on the boat, I may wait until someone fuel injects a 90 four stroke, which is what it's rated for in the first place. As for Suzuki's 90 four stroke, it's still too heavy, period. To assert that I could put a fuel injected four stroke 70 Suzuki on and get as much out of the hole as I get with my superbly running 90HP Merc L6 seems preposterous to me. Also, as for 'do you intend to tow your CHILDREN (your caps) at 40MPH' the answer is: YES (my caps). Our 12 year old son has been trying his hand/feet at barefooting going precisely 40MPH. Is this perfectly safe? Of course not! Neither is the ride up to the cabin in our pickup, nor any of the other myriad of 'dangerous' things we do daily. I guess I see your warnings as well meaning, however I just couldn't help bristling a bit when you labeled me as 'dangerously lethal'. It seems to be just a wording thing but touched a nerve nonetheless. Let's call it a draw. You think anything over 70 horses on our 90 horse rated boat to be where 'dangerous' begins, I disagree.<br />Gary Tuthill
 

JB

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Well, Gary, I overreacted to your seemingly casual reference to cars. I took it as though you don't take power ratings seriously and have seen and heard of too many tragic consequences of overpowering boats, including the loss of a good friend's son who hole shotted his overpowered skiff into a back flip. . . it landed on him. I apologise if I offended you, I sought to raise your consciousness of how deadly the water is.<br /><br />Don't take horsepower numbers too literally. When I said my Suzi could do anything my sons Merc could do under 38 mph I was dead serious. That includes hole shot. It is actually a little quicker to about 30mph. It's all in the prop. . . sort of like short track racing when you are in 2nd gear and your opponent is in 3rd. But, if your son is that advanced a skier and you want to tow him 40mph you wont be able to do it with a 70. Please wait for a good, EFI 90 by someone.<br /><br />Red sky at night. . . <br />JB
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fone_man

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Gentleman:<br /><br />The power of the written word... the bad thing about the written word is you do not know how the other is going to take it because you see, there are two sides to everything... as I keep saying, OPINIONS are like elbows as everyone has two of them. Plus you do not know the frame or scope of thier meanings.<br /><br />So Gary... I think JB was pointing out the dangers of overpowering your boat & in certain instenances, what you would be liable for... OK worst case scenario!!! Not saying that you would do that or this would happen to you!!!<br /><br />So JB... I think you were right in pointing out the dangers of overpowering boat & showing what owners liablities could be. Suggesting the power plant that you were satified with was OK. What Gary didn't tell us was his child was trying to learn to barefoot...<br /><br />So since I have posted before... I can post again...<br /><br />I hope your son learns to barefoot... what an accomplishment but to do it with only 90 HP outboard is ludicrus (my speeling checker not working tonite)... but you have auto in drive than go 100 MPH. Why not just tank the ole boat & buy a MasterCraft or Other Ski boat just for the purpose of barefooting & sking... They will provide the power for sustained barefooting/ski and you will get many enjoyable hours watching your soon do cartwheels across the water. Let us know when he does it!!!<br /><br />Disclaimer:<br />This opinion is the writers only & does not reflect the opinions of the previous writers/posters who are in general disagreement over the above mention outboard engines. Also, in no way is the writer of this post liable for the actions of 12 year old barefooting & doing cartwheels across the water now or in the future. Responsiblity is sole responsibility of orginal poster of the message that started this conversation/post & is responsible for all insurance costs assoiciated with overpowering, barefooting & medical trips for pleasurable trips that this boat and any/all future watercraft purchases produce.<br /><br />Again, gentleman... Good Day!!!<br /><br />
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clanton

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Re: Repowering '82 Glastron Runabout

JB are you a short tracker?
 
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