Repair dented pontoons

BuckVegas

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I'm a novice, learning about all this stuff. Just recently bought a Tracker Party Cruiser (used). It's in good shape but has a few small dents in the logs. Right side log has a fairly large dent about a foot or more across. I bought it that way. The owner said a friend swung wide at a gas station and hit the steel guard. It broke the skin a little in one spot, but he pasted some sort of liquid mending metal paste over it and said it doesn't leak. I take him at his word, but I'm wondering how difficult it would be to repair properly and how the repair would be accomplished, ball park price, etc.

Second question:
I have had it out twice and on the maiden voyage it was really windy when I recovered it. Took 3 attempts to line it up with the trailer. On the first attempt I was off just a bit and the nose of one log hit the upright on the center of the trailer stopping me abruptly. Later on I found that the impact had put a slight curl in first 4 inches of the nose. Is it possible to just heat that up with a propane torch and pound it straight or is that likely to crack the aluminum?

How does a "do-it-yourselfer" go about determining if there is any water in the logs?

If one wants to fiddle away some time, what is the best method to polish your logs and aluminum trim?

Thanks for any advice.

Don
 

Jeep Man

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

Hello again Buck. As I have a pontoon which I got with the dents in place, I have asked similiar questions in the past. Mine is a 20' Sun Tracker Regency. Unless the dents are affecting the performance, the consensis is to leave them alone. The aluminium is quite soft and prone to cracking. Using a propane torch could be disasterous. If you MUST fix them, leave it to the pros.
The simple way to check for water is with the boat on the trailer. Go forward slowly, stop abruptly, back up and stop abruptly again, all while a friend is beside the pontoon. Have them listen for sloshing. In the water is more difficult. If there is no plug in the top at the rear to allow insertion of a rod to check, there are plugs along the top,between the top of the pontoon and the deck. Harder to get at and harder to get anything in to check.
The two best repair materials, without the assistance of an experienced welder, appears to be JB Weld and 3M 4200/5200 (5200 is harder when cured but takes longer to fully set up).
I haven't tackled cleaning the toons yet, and there are many suggestions as to what to use. If you use the "search" feature at the top, you can recall those threads and posts. I'm probably going to try air conditioner coil cleaner, as suggested in a couple of responses. I hope this helps.
 

jeeperman

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

I'm a novice, learning about all this stuff. Just recently bought a Tracker Party Cruiser (used). It's in good shape but has a few small dents in the logs. Right side log has a fairly large dent about a foot or more across. I bought it that way. The owner said a friend swung wide at a gas station and hit the steel guard. It broke the skin a little in one spot, but he pasted some sort of liquid mending metal paste over it and said it doesn't leak. I take him at his word, but I'm wondering how difficult it would be to repair properly and how the repair would be accomplished, ball park price, etc.

Go look at this: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/29/video-car-dent-removal-with-hair-dryer-and-compressed-air/

It does work as long as the perimeter of the dent has no creases or edges.


Second question:
I have had it out twice and on the maiden voyage it was really windy when I recovered it. Took 3 attempts to line it up with the trailer. On the first attempt I was off just a bit and the nose of one log hit the upright on the center of the trailer stopping me abruptly. Later on I found that the impact had put a slight curl in first 4 inches of the nose. Is it possible to just heat that up with a propane torch and pound it straight or is that likely to crack the aluminum?
you mean the spray deflector is bent? If yes use a big c-clamp and sandwich the aluminum between some wood. Then crank the c-clamp down some. Then do some more during the day. Doing it slow will not impact the aluminum and it will come back to flat/straight easier without cracking. Doing it fast will

How does a "do-it-yourselfer" go about determining if there is any water in the logs?

get some clear plastic flexible tubing and put a nut or other weight on one end that can fir thru the top plugs under the deck. Lower it to the lowest point it will go. Suck on it until you either see water coming or your sucking air. Put lots of anti-sieze on the plugs before putting them back in.

If one wants to fiddle away some time, what is the best method to polish your logs and aluminum trim?
Before doing any polishing, make sure that is what you want to do. The aluminum usually has a coating or is anodized from the factory. Abrasive polishing compounds will remove either and the then naked aluminum will corrode faster and result in the need to re-polish more often from then on.

Thanks for any advice.

Don

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5150abf

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

As stated dents are best left alone unless they affact performance.

I am the lead repair guy at a major pontoon company and have fixxed about anything you can think of.

The problem is the metal is pretty thick, its not like a car fender and even with a hefty dent puller it is hard to get a dent out and almost impossible to make it look goo, normally insted of one big dent you end up with a bunch of tiny ones that look worse.

Finding water is pretty easy if you can get it on a trailer, just have someone roll forward then stop suddenly then listen to the tube, if there is water you will hear it slosh.
 

Baysidejoe

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

Buck,

I put a set of guide post mount to my trailer to aid in lining the toons to the trailer. They work great for me. It saves a alot of headaches especially when its windy. There not to expensive.
 

lmuss53

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An easier way to check for water in the tubes is to just walk up to the trailer and give it a GOOD shake side to side a couple of times and then listen. Kind of like doing a shock absorber test on a car, don't be afraid to rock it around a little, you won't hurt it. I usually do this after parking the boat and putting the cover on. I bounce up and down for a second on the ladder and then listen.
 

luckyjr

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i have a little water in my toon. i can hear it. i was told all have some water because of sweating. That all you need to do is take a dc pump and get it out through the plug in the back.
 

5150abf

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If you can here it it is more than condensation, without a leak there is maybe 3 tablespoons of water in the air in the tube, it is getting in somehow.
 

luckyjr

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If you can here it it is more than condensation, without a leak there is maybe 3 tablespoons of water in the air in the tube, it is getting in somehow.

Thanks for your input

It must not be on the bottom of the toon or it would leak out. I can hear it in the front of the toon. I tipped it backwards couldn't hear in the back of the toon. Is the toon all open inside or there compartments?
 

lmuss53

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

Pull the plugs out and get the bow higher in the air than the stern. Leave it sit that way overnight and it should make it's way out.

My third tube is from an unknown maker. I left some vent plugs out of the top of it and water got in it. It wouldn't drain out right away so I left it like I described overnight and it was empty in the morning. I put the vent plugs back in and it's been dry since.

If you're curious about how much is in there put a bucket under the drain to catch what comes out.
 

5150abf

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Almost all pontoons have compartments with a bulk head at the nose cone and center, some have holes between the compartments and some don't.

Alot of the leaks I find are on the brackets and water splashing up on the tube gets in, you will have to air chack the tubes to find it.
 

chuckcpc

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Re: Repair dented pontoons

First of all, I am really delighted I have dent brothers out there. We love our 94 21' Sun Tracker Party Barge. In the warm season, we are enjoying it every weekend. Lots of our runs are down the Chattahoochee River where you can find every stump, log and gator in the river. I hit a slightly submerged olf channel marker once and rammed a basketbal size dent in the front pontoon nose section. That took some bucks and my local metal fabricator's help. There was no doing it myself on that one, but an education is an expensive thing. Like my dent brothers, I bought the boat used with some dents in the rear pontoon sections. Believe it or not, a trailer with flemsy bunk boards can do a number on your toons. Hitting a bump in the road casued the boat to slam hard on the trailer and if the bunk boards dont support the entire length of the pontoon well, where the boards flex is where you will dent the toons. My dents started here before I bought the boat. I saw this right away and replaced the bunk boards with really stought pressure treated ones covered in good weather proof carpet from the big box store. Other dents were inflicted by me on the river and lakes we run. You need to find the top plugs on your 4 pontoon sections. They take a little reaching, but come out with a 7/16" open end wrench or small adjustable. When you open them up, you should hear a woosh of air as the inner air and outer air equalize. Heat from the sun causes the inner pontoon pressure to increase. If you hear no woosh, guess what? You have a leak and you should have seen some dripping from the trailer bunk noards for a while after you last came out of the water. Anyway, I have a small tap set, I use a 1/4",so I drilled with the right size drill bit at the very bottom of the rear circle or the back pontoons. The back pontoons take the most beating because they are the most submerged in the water from the motor, gas, batteries, my tiny swimmers physique and the cooler. When you drill it, do it like you clean your eyeballs, very carefully, so the hole is true and small. When you pull the bit out, the water you thought you heard will begin to flow freely because the tp plug is out. once it drains, tap the hole with the tap and then plug it with the right thread count 1/4" bolt with a tiny black O-ring fitted on it to the shoulder. Snug, but don't muscle it it or you will strip the threads. If you do, you will only have to go to a larger size hole to tap of plug the hole with monster strong epoxy. Now you can drain it any time you worry about it, just be careful with the threads. I did this on both of my rear tanks and the front nose referenced warlier that I bashed in and had a metal fab shop repair for me. That way I can keep tabs on their welding seal quality. There I made a very small drill hole and uesed a small self tapping metal screw as a plug. No leaks. Meanwhile, you can worry, like I do, about how to do a real fix. Patching cracks on the outside is futile. I have a long story from another pontoon boat about that one. The air pressure, in my experience, is always much greater inside the pontoon. This means air always triesto push outward, not inward, so the seal will fail from the high pressure air trying to escape. Then high pressure water from running the loaded boat well spray into the pontoon while you are on the water. Outside patching may work for a run or two, but you'll be doing it again and again. You have to jack the boat off the trailer to get to the suspected crack anyway. You have to seal the leak by welding or sealant from the inside of the pontoon. Liquid sealant poured with a tube down the top vent hold will work. I drilled a 1/2" hole in my deck to get to it straight down, then used a furnature plug to plug the hole in the deck. Looks fine. Look for, google, marine or gas tank sealant on line. Rig up a funnel and big box store plastic tube and pour a few quarts, up to a gallon, of sealant into the tank and then take the boat for a ride on the trailer for an hour or so. The more hills and driveways up and down the better to slosh the sealant all through the pontoon. Do it allot until you feel good about how well you have sloshed the sealant around inside the toon. Then let it set. You may even see some sealant drip out on your trailer bunks, thats a good thing cause you know the sealant found the crack(s) causing the leak(s). Put the top plugs back in and drive it around some more. Then open a top plug and listen. You know the deal, the air should woosh out meaning you have a tight sealon the cracks. Then you can save your beer and tooth fairy money, she doesn't need lingere and jewlery anymore either, heck, she know you adore her by now. The go find you a good metal fab shop and just hang out there for a while getting to know the guys who may, someday, get intimate with you baby, the boat silly. The super dent removal and crack welding repair that you have been waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats worring about may be in the cards. But that's just me. I'm obsessed with a good performing boat. The new souped up motor I bought from i-boats and my loving care, she will be fine. I have some ideas on quality dent repair as well, but I have run on way long enough for now. Email me If you care to bounce some thought off one another. It's December now and I am stuck doing honey do's for the winter. God speed me to warmer weather around March.

Chuck, Columbus, Ga
 
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samo_ott

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Wow Chuck. That was a helluva long first post! Welcome to the forum!
 
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