Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

roykuz

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My son & I are finally in the process of pulling the engine from our boat,does anyone have suggestions,advice, hints, etc. Here are the specifics: boat, 1979 22' cuddy cabin AMF Crestliner. Engine 225 hp. chevy 305 v8. A note of thanks to those who answered my last post about rebuilding or replacing the engine, the end result is we are going to rebuild what we have. This seems to be the best way to go.
 

f_inscreenname

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Re: Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

Take pictures from all sides and top of motor (while still inside boat)befor you take it apart. A friend of mine told me to do it. I did thinking it was a waist of time "I will rember". It took a couple of months till I found the right parts (swaping out for a larger motor)then it got cold so it was six months befor I put it back together. Ohh the time they saved. This bracket goes there,this wire goes here.........
 

twwmm

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Re: Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

as obvious as it sounds make sure any seawater intakes are well secure, and then some. Quite common that some blocks of a hose only to find out that the other end was torn or came off when they took out the motor, usually after it is raised from the bottom. :)
 

Ross J

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Hi sport,<br />I'd like to back up what f_inscreenname says.<br />When i do any work on my engine I set the video camera on the tripod and that way I can check back to correct any mistakes afterwards. It sure saves time when reassembling things!<br />Ross
 

GarageGuy42

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Roy<br />I have a bit of knowledge that may or may not be useful. What the other guys said about a camera is a good idea. <br />I swapped one and didn't pay enough attention to 2 washers that dropped out when the engine was pulled. Well on reinstallation the washers went on top of the rear mounting bolts when they should have went between the engine and rear mount. The result was about 15 miles down the lake the engine to outdrive coupler burnt up because the shaft and the engine where out of align. A $40 book told me that. Long trip back at 2mph in the rain plus another engine pull.<br />The Moral is: watch the alcohol intake and get a book.
 

roykuz

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Re: Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

Thanks for everyones advice and suggestions.The engine removal went great (took a lot of pictures). Now we have to decide what to do with the engine. From my other post "remove or replace" there were a lot of good ideas. I do have a 350 corvette engine that I can get for a good price, it was just rebuilt so we have to make a decision. This engine seems quite rough, rusted cylinder walls, pistons, etc. It may be the best to just use the 350 with a change over of some marine parts. Thanks again.<br />Roy
 

Clay

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Re: Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

theres more than just "some parts" you would have to change. The cam is one of them.
 

GarageGuy42

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Cottie<br />I know the cam should be changed in an overhaul, but is it because of the marine application or something else? I just need to satisfy my curiosity.
 

roykuz

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Cootie,Thanks for the info on the cam. My son had mentioned this. I to would like to know the reason to change the cam. I have an automotive friend who says it's not necessary, but after seeing so many people on this board mentioning the cam change I doubt his knowledge. I would like to go to him with a reason why the cam should be changed, my first guess would be the engine is under a load most of the time but that is just a guess. Thanks again.<br />Roy
 

roykuz

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I forgot to ask this in my last post. Are there any other parts that MUST be changed over? so far we are planning to switch the alt, cam, fuel pump, oil pump, intake manifold. Which parts MUST be marine parts?<br />Roy
 

WSUDERMAN

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Roy,<br />The cam issue is the overlap. If its more than about 112deg then the risk of water being sucked in is greater, if the exhaust manifold integrity is compromised. Of course the idle quality can be an issue depending on your setup...<br /><br />As for a list of parts that MUST be changed,<br />Alt. (spark suppression)<br />Starter (spark suppression)<br />Carb (more than I want to list)<br />Waterpump (different impeller and casing for durability)<br />Crank (forged steel not cast for durability)<br />Freeze plugs (brass not alum)<br /><br />Since the motor you are considering, is a corvette motor it may have a steel forged crank<br />Wes
 

WSUDERMAN

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forgot one part...<br />Distributor.
 

sho305

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I did a lot of mods to BBC 454 Mercs in the past. The cams with smaller lobe centerlines seemed to work well, but the Mercruser cams and *required* valve springs are at the top of the game. See if you can get a factory take out set from an engine shop from a fresh engine they are upgrading. <br /><br />We had very good luck installing the larger Merc cam, carb, and springs, ie: stock 502 Merc set into a 365 Merc/454cid at 500+ hp/tq with a performer rpm and ported oval port heads and after much experimentaion. With lots of torque down at 3k rpm, mpg/holeshot was good and topped out around 6500rpm. Ran even with Merc 525 Blower motor.<br /><br />If you do not want the hassle, go one step up from the standard Merc 350cid cam and get better performance with little trade-off. Maybe get a hipo 350cid Merc cam and put it in the 350 if you want to go fast. Pay attention to the valve bowl porting, quality valve train, and wet headers or at least elbows depending on how wild you get. High rpm automotive ideas like single plane intakes, big ports, and high rpm cams do not work well in normal boating applications. Focus on a flat torque curve with rpm matched components. The Merc parts are expensive new but worth it. I think Crane makes the cams. Most of the other parts can be used off the 305, but find out what hp your drive will handle, and change the Merc lube a lot to make it live. Never had a problem with the Merc ignition, water pumps, coolers, etc, at 500hp on a BBC. Just fuel and air flow components where changed. Stick an impeller in there too while apart.<br /><br />Did a 400cid GM with performer rpm intake, holley 750, good heads, and bigger exhaust with a 305 Comp cams that was too big; and it ran 74mph in a 19'. Original 305 had frozen up. Scary fast but it was bog city to get on plane and not good to idle/shift because of huge automotive cam. The guy beat his neighbor though, and that was all that mattered to him.
 

roykuz

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Re: Removing Engine (suggestions/ideas)

Engine update: My son finally agreed we should have the original engine rebuilt (less hassel & cost. Should have it back in a week, then we can start the reinstall process.Thanks again for all the advice.<br />Roy
 
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