Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

grey2112

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Howdy there - wife and I recently became new boaters (bought our first boat in December of 2011) and have been kicking ourselves for not doing this sooner. We live in the Tampa Bay area and the majority of our fishing is limited to about 10-15 miles within shoreline and 40 feet of water, on good calm days. We have gone to the Keys a few times trailering the boat as well. We have a KeyWest 196 BayReef with 150hp Johnson 2-stroke that pops up on plane at about 18 mph, and we normally cruise at 28-30 mph at 3500 rpm and get around 2.25-2.5 mpg



We've discovered that:

1 - We like fishing further offshore (grouper, snapper, etc. - and the times we've been in the Keys we've wanted to go out further to get dolphin, etc.) - but our boat is not capable of going to far out unless on VERY calm days. The wife is 46 and doesn't like getting banged and battered around in chop - I can take it better, but I'm not getting any younger either and I can foresee a time where it will bother me as well. Running a 19 foot open bayboat/center console in rough conditions isn't fun. Our inshore/flats/lake fishing is now almost nil - just don't care for it that much.

2 - I got into SCUBA diving and spearfishing, and it is a tight fit to get 2 divers and the wife on the boat. I'd like to be able to take a total of 3-4 divers and the boat out and have room on board for gear, landing speared fish (AJ, Cobia, etc.) Plus the ability to go out further to wrecks offshore without having to go on "perfect" days would be nice.

3 - The wife mentioned how nice it would be for us to go out (either far or close in) and spend the night on a boat - so having the room to lay out an air mattress under a canopy, or have a berth and a head or portapotty would be nice. Some room for a campstove so we can cook. Just the two of us.

4 - I realize I may need to upgrade my truck - I'm fairly certain I can find a good used F250 and trade my 2 year old F150 V6 with 8000 miles on it for it - it can only tow 6500 pounds. I may lose a year or two on the F250 and a bit of miles, but the extra towing capacity will be a big help as I know the replacement boat will be much heavier.

I had thought about pilothouse style boats, but still am not quite sure - obviously they look like they would offer a lot of the things we want, but the weight and how they ride in the water may be a concern - I have heard they can really pound you due to the pilothouse being so forward and heavy. I'm also 6'1 and don't know if I would be a good fit for the overhead clearance. But given our conditions in the Gulf and the fact that we would still more than likely not go out unless conditions were pretty nice, this may not be a huge concern.


You guys are a lot more experienced than me so I'd appreciate any advice. Definitely going to be a used boat. I like the idea of a single outboard engine. I'm thinking 23 foot might be minimum , and would be willing to consider a 25-28 foot as well. Don't know if a cuddy-cabin or semi-enclosed cockpit may be something to consider vs. the pilothouse style. I've started lookng at C-dory, Steiger, Parker, Judge, Maycraft, Stamas, Grady White, Pro-line, Trophy.

I think the pilothouse idea, especially here in Florida, may not be such a grand idea given their potential negatives (weight, lower fuel efficiency, stuffiness in hot weather, etc..)
 

crabby captain john

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

I would cross the Maycraft. pro-line. and Trophy off if it were my list. I would add EdgeWater at the top but they are costly for many reasons. I like a pilot house with only 1 exception-- they get warm in the summer. I also like a cuddy for storage, an emergency potty, and an over night once in a while. Not a fan of CCs as they offer next to zero sun protection. I'm 6' and prefer to sit or stand-- not lean when piloting a boat. Most comfortable for ME is a cuddy, a big sole, DC with canvas top and at least 3 side curtains for bad weather. More options than a hardtop or pilothouse. A hardtop or pilothouse takes some getting used to as they act as a big sail in little wind. On breezy days I've seen guys with many years in a CC get completely frustrated getting into their slip with a new HT or PH... it takes practice but not real tough once you get the feel of it.
 

tazrig

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

I would also cross off Maycraft, Proline and Trophy. Stamas was always built like a tank, not sure about the newer ones though. Grady White is also a tank (solid very well made) If cost is not an object than an Intrepid would fit your bill nicely. Far and away one of the best made production boats out there and they all have a dedicated dive door for scuba diving that turns into a ladder when deployed. They are designed to be fishing boats from the keel up but also design in numerous comfort and luxury features.
 

grey2112

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

I would cross the Maycraft. pro-line. and Trophy off if it were my list. I would add EdgeWater at the top but they are costly for many reasons. I like a pilot house with only 1 exception-- they get warm in the summer. I also like a cuddy for storage, an emergency potty, and an over night once in a while. Not a fan of CCs as they offer next to zero sun protection. I'm 6' and prefer to sit or stand-- not lean when piloting a boat. Most comfortable for ME is a cuddy, a big sole, DC with canvas top and at least 3 side curtains for bad weather. More options than a hardtop or pilothouse. A hardtop or pilothouse takes some getting used to as they act as a big sail in little wind. On breezy days I've seen guys with many years in a CC get completely frustrated getting into their slip with a new HT or PH... it takes practice but not real tough once you get the feel of it.

Any particular reasons for crossing off Maycraft, Proline, Trophy off the lists? I understand that they are not as high-end and the fit/finish isn't as good as some higher priced models, but given our non-commercial, once-a-weekend usage, I don't know if I can justify the much higher expense of some of those others.
 

tazrig

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

Price is certainly a major consideration in a purchase. In addition to fit and finish you'd also be looking at the way the boat handles on the water. The better a boat handles and rides typically means the engineers put more time into the hull design which gives you a better more solid ride but also costs more. None of the boats "taken off the list" are inherently bad just in a different class then the ones recommended. Check them all out and buy the best one you can afford and feel comfortable spending on. The older the boat you buy the less and less the brand matters and the more and more it matters how it was cared for. A 10 year old trophy that was babied may well be in better shape then a better brand that was just left in the open and never well maintained. Either way when buying used it's important to go see, touch, feel, examine the whole boat. You'll soon see the differences between those that have been well cared for and those that have not. If you're going to be spending more than a few thousand on the boat then be sure to get a professional marine survey done for a few hundred dollars before you buy to make sure the boat is in top shape or if not what the repairs are likely to cost.
 

Floridaguy32514

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

I wouldn't Cross out Pro-line, I have an 18ft and love it, and a couple that I fished in a tourney with had a 26ft cuddy and loved it. I will give you fair warning now, if you trade your F150 in for a F250, STAY AWAY FROM THE 6.0 DIESEL, you won't have money to boat if you buy that POS
 

grey2112

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

I've been reading some great things about the Edgewater 225 EX models - they apparently ride very well, are very well laid out for a 22 foot boat, isn't terribly heavy, and gets incredible MPG/efficiency.

Problem is finding one - not a lot were built of that model before they stopped making them.

I still think I'm going to have to upgrade my damn truck :(
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Relative newbie considering boat upgrade - opinions wanted

look at sea chaser for a cuddy.

but I bet you use that cuddy very little--get a room at the marina. Your size, your hot climate, your primary use (fish/scuba) it will be a liability, not a plus.

Don't sell a CC with a good top short. Tops can be expanded and you can drop side shades, too.
 
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