Rebuilt 150 Fast Strike?!?!?!?!

[RDaves]

Had to have my 150 rebuilt, according to the local dealer. Because... I rebuilt the carbs and set the floats too lean and scored all the pistons.<br />This was done March of last year and finally got the unit out of hock two weeks ago. ($1300.00 over high quote, $4700.00 Total.) Ran the unit aprox. 5 minutes on one day last week after adding a small amount of 2 cycle to the cylinders before starting.<br />Checked the plugs and found them to be fouled, replaced and ran again, only less time.<br />Ran like it did before rebuild. So took back to dealer they said that gas was too old and caused the floats to stick shut? Scored pistons so bad that has to be rebuilt again, But with sleeves this time. Acting like I will have to have to pay again..... <br />Is this possiable because the unit has sat too long without running? Or maybe they didn't reset the floats and the unit did the same again?<br />Fixing to get in a PISSING contest with them and need info. <br />Feel like I need vaseline.<br /><br />Thoughts PLEASE.

 

[R.Johnson]

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How long did the mechanic run the engine after rebuild. Did you run 25-1 oil for break in. Any time we did a rebuild at the shop's I worked at we took the boat to the river, or lake to make sure all system's were go. I had one v-6 I rebuildt, and was ready to hook up the oil box. Looking at the box down in the transom well, it was brim full, pulled out the box anyway. It had 2 inch's of water at the bottom. At $4000+ in parts, and labor, you don't take thing's for granted.

 

[LubeDude]

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Sounds to me like your mechanic didnt do a thorough enough job before returning the boat to you. In my opinion, all those things should have been checked first. A rebuild isnt just throwing a bunch of parts together and then saying, "well, there ya go"!! It should be test run, tuned and run on the water before giving it to the customer. If something is screwed up besides what he fixed then he should have noticed it and let you know!

 

[Hooty]

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Hey TA,<br />Who did tha work?<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty

 

[RDaves]

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Barber, In Dallas.<br /><br />The thing I don't understand is how can a float become stuck in the closed position?<br />Replaced the floats last year so they should'nt have become saturated.<br />Also doesn't the VRO still pump oil even though no fuel is present?

 

[Hooty]

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Roger the VRO pumping. <br />I don't know any of those people a Barber but there's something very wrong with that picture. If the floats were stuck closed, how'd it get fuel to run? Sounds like they never fixed it in the first place, and for that price, they dam sure should have fixed the original problem.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty

 

[RDaves]

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Yea, this hole thing has been kinda weird.<br /><br />They said that pulled the head off one side and two of the three were scorged and stopped looking from there.<br />Called me to tell that the engine is ruined and what to do. Was driving and out of town and in shock. Didn't have the time to talk and will have meeting with them Friday.<br />What do you think would be the best angle to approach them on for making them fix with out a bunch of crap.<br />They act like it's my fault and I don't think they will repair without a fight.

 

[walleyehed]

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You said you pulled plugs and squirted some 2-stroke lube in the cylinders before running....why???<br />Ask what kind of break-in procedure they used before you got the engine back.<br />They should have installed a new VRO pump with the O/H if they have any sense at all.<br />Does your copy of the work order show carb kits??? Carb cleaning??<br />Did the block have to be bored??? If so, how much??

 

[RDaves]

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OK, They did replace the VRO, as for the Carbs the only thing on the work order that might suggest it is, a part #438996 kit but it only cost 19.05 which seems pretty cheap for a rebuid kit and they bored it out 30 thou.<br /><br />As for break-in the service guy said they ran it for two hours at the lake.<br /><br />When I was finally able to pick-up the boat no one said anything about special procedures or break-in.<br />It was in the middle of their boat show so no one available.<br />Before I took it out for the first time (the following week) I called and asked, since it had sat for a year is there anything special I should do to protect the cylinders (the guy was familar with the boat), I thought WD-40 so they would not start up dry. He said no and to mist the cylinders with 2 cycle oil, well didn't have a fogger so put aprox. 2 ML in each cylinder before start (have a new baby so have infant dropper). They also said to make sure the fuel and oil bulbs were pumped up.<br />THAT was my advise.<br />Well I knew the oil would foul plugs, that was ok if it would protect NEW motor.<br />Ran for a few minutes ran like crap, the following week changed plugs still would'nt run and here we are.<br /><br />TexasAngler

 

[Dhadley]

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After sitting for a year with untreated fuel I would expect to have to go thru the carbs and drain the tank. Even if it was treated I wouldnt use 1 year old fuel. <br /><br />However, just so we understand what youre saying -- this motor has less than ten minutes on it and has only been run on a flushette, right? Or was it run in the water under a load?<br /><br />What spark plugs?<br /><br />There are .040 OS pistons available also.

 

[RDaves]

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Had the orginal QL82YC when on the hose to see if it would start the first time. Actually was'nt hard to start with the extra oil in the cylinders and smoked like hell when it did, but really didn't run that bad (aprox. 1-3 Minutes) thats why I took it to the lake to see how she would run. Since there was only about 5 Gals of fuel in the tank went to fill (aprox. 25-30 Gals.) with Mid-grade before going to the ramp. On the lake ran around in one circle of ramp Aprox. 1/4 mile and would'nt get above 3,500 RPM. Took home.<br />Was trying to decide if needed to take back so thought about what could be wrong over the next week and it hit me the plugs were probably fouled<br />So the folowing week put in the only plugs available that night, just some cheap plugs Denso W27FS-U10 as per the Clymer pub that said needed a differant # than what was in there.<br />It was only a test to see if the plugs were the problem.<br />Fired it up on the ramp ran rough still. Thought maybe it was just needing to warm up so backed off the trailer would'nt run so put right back on.<br />Took back to Barber Boats and here we are again.....<br /><br />TexasAngler

 

[Dhadley]

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Those motors are fairly sensative to spark plugs. It probably wasn't the cause but I would stick with Champions only in that motor.<br /><br />The other thing is to stick with the recommended 87 octane. <br /><br />The one thing I would ask the dealer is what the total timing was set at. Those can be set without running the motor so he could show you if he wants to. If its set at something other than 20 (with the pointer properly aligned) that could be a problem.<br /><br />Anyway, untreated fuel sitting in a carb for a year is never a good thing.

 

[RDaves]

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Ok, with everything being said, and I really do appreciate everyone's input on this. <br /><br />Do I have a leg to stand on against the dealership for not informing me (the customer) about start-up procedures on this motor?<br /><br />Once again it was rebuilt last year and finally had enough funds to pick-up a few weeks ago, with no info. about start-up, even called and they didn't say anything about the fuel or the carbs.<br /><br />This is a very complicated issue.<br /><br />Thank each and everyone of you for your time and input.<br /><br />TexasAngler

 

[Cricket Too]

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TA....You said there was only 5 gallons of fuel in the tank, so that means that it was sitting this whole time(1 year), in their yard, with only 5 gallons, out of 30, and probably had a decent amount of condesation in the tank as well. Now my question is, why didn't they advise filling the tank over the course of the year it sat in their yard to reduce the condensation in the tank, and why didn't they think to tell you that since the fuel had sat in the carb bowls for a year it may have gummed something up, before you took it home? I don't see how they can say it was your fault if you only ran it for 10 minutes and you actually made an effort to find out any precautions to take for starting it after it had sat for so long, when you made that call they should have said, hey wait a minute that fuel has been sitting in the carbs for a year and might cause some problems. They need to take the responsibility here, especially if it is bad enough that you have to rebuild again, after making you pay almost $5000 to get it fixed in the first place. Good luck.

 

[RDaves]

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THANK you very much!!!!<br /><br />I will probably print this entire discussion and put in their hands.<br /><br />Will get back with ya'll and let you know the outcome.<br /><br />Thank's again.<br /><br />TexasAngler

 

[sikpnter]

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Hey texas angler I just had my fast strike rebuilt too so I feel your pain in the pocket book. My mechanic thought I got it hot but when he checked the oil tank It was full of gas which meant that my vro had _ _ _ _ed up and pumped gas backward into my oil tank so It scored my pistons also. So maybe something to check. But anyway my mechanic is going to warranty it for a year so yours should do the same. If not spread the word.

 

[RDaves]

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Just wondering what did you pay?<br /><br />Plus, the VRO is suppose to be new.<br /><br />TexasAngler

 

[sikpnter]

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I paid $3500 but I did not need a new crank just fried the pistons and sleeves.

 

[Solittle]

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TexasAngler - You need to talk to an attorney. It would be great if you could find one with some marine experience. I would not authorize any work until you have done so unless the work order clearly states what is to be done, that the work is covered by the warranty and is to be done at no charge to you.