Questions on Electric Motor choices

CaptJim

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Hello all,<br /><br />Please feel free to respond to any of the below items, but first, a bit of background. I have a 20' Alumaweld open river boat with a Mercury 50 HP 4 stroke. I use the boat primarily for trout and salmon fishing in the Kenai river here in Alaska. Much of the fishing is done by running up river and then drifting down over the fishing holes. Some shut off their motors and use oars to keep the boat properly positioned in the river. It is a fairly smooth riving moving at 4-5mph. I am interesting in buying a electric trolling motor to keep the boat properly positioned in the river. The main thing that it will do is keep the boat rotated the right direction (so it does not spin and the lines tangle) and to move it 10 feet side to side in the river every once in a while. With my current motor I will click into either forward or reverse and turn the steering, never coming off of idle. My questions are:<br /><br />1. Can I / Should I share a battery between these two applications? If not, can I add a second battery and use some sort of a diode or electronic system to allow the 4 stroke motor and alternator to charge the trolling motor when I am heading up stream? <br /><br />2. How big is big enough for this application? All of the information I have seen is talking about using the motor for trolling in a lake. I will not be trying to push the boat against the current, just to keep it positioned in the river, much like oars are used on a river raft or drift boat.<br /><br />3. I was considering a Minn/Koda, and either a Vantage 50 or Maxum 50. I would say a drift (where I would use the electric motor) might be 10-20 minutes, and then I would switch back to the 4 stroke to go back up river. Would it be easier to rotate the motor out, or use the electric raising feature on the more expensive model? Would it be a bad idea to leave the electric motor in the water on these short runs up river? The boat will do about 25mph up stream with the 4 stroke at full throttle.<br /><br />4. Is thsia good or bad idea? I see everyone else just leaving there motors on idle all day, which seems to me to add wear and tear to them, plus, I could do without the noise and exhaust. A lot of the time if the boat is in a good section of the river I will turn off the motor to just have some quiet, but then I feel like I am abusing the starter to restart it every 5-10 minutes.<br /><br />Thanks for any input in advance.
 

JasonJ

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

I fish in a similar way, but my river is much slower, and I often just use an oar to position myself (17 ft boat). I have been considering getting an electric trolling motor just so I can manuever without the main motor. I would say just get a good electric motor with foot controls and plenty of thrust, and definately run a second battery. You could run an isolator, or just run a switch so you can start with one battery, and then switch over to the trolling battery to charge it. No, I don't think you should run with the trolling motor down. That water will provide a ton of resistance at 25 mph, and could cause more damage than the 30 seconds saved by not raising it is worth. Good luck with it....
 

norman158

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

i have a minkota power guide mounted on the bow of my 16ft trihull and use it often for just what you are asking about put in the extra battery i dont think you will need to worry about charging it as i can go all day and still not need to recharge. the more thrust the better with the newer motors the slower they run the longer the battery lasts. the foot control is the only way to go leaves your hands free to hold the pole and as jason said pull the motor out when running back up stream <br />hope this helps
 

harrison20002

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

By all means tilt up your trolling motor while underway with the 4 stroke. As Jason suggests an Isolator between your two batteries is a very good idea and much cheaper than an onboard charger. Happy Fishing. Hal
 

harrison20002

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

Last night I replied to your query about trolling motors. Then I thought of a buddy of mine who guides Salmon & Steelhead trips in the Far North rivers of the Ca.-Oregon border. I got him online this morning to see what equipment he used.<br /><br />He said your were on the right track, he uses a Minn Kota 50 AT. 50 pound thrust and he said it had excellent foot control. He also told me he saved about 65.oo by ordering it through the Bass Pro Shops, 1-800-BASS Pro. They are located in Springfield,Mo. Sure hope this helps you decide what you need. Happy Hooking, Hal
 

yensid

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

Don't know if this is practical for you from a price or mounting perspective, but an autopilot motor could really help you keep on course easily....<br /><br />I think this is definitely a good idea. I know leaving your motor idling or running at slow speeds all day makes carbon deposits more likely. Plus, the noise will scare the fish, which is no good, eh?<br /><br />Definitely want a second battery. That one time when you accidently run it down too far and can't start the main motor would make you really regret not having it.<br /><br />I think the size you're looking at should be fine, if you're truly just worried about positioning.
 

CaptJim

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Re: Questions on Electric Motor choices

Thanks for all of the information. I purchased a Minn Kota Spyder 50# motor from our local Sports Authority for $179.00 this week, and will try it out this weekend. I figure that if it is a complete disaster I can return it, and it is cheap enough that it is not a great risk anyway. The mounting and tilt unit on this are plastic, which makes me a bit nervous that it will break, but I guess I can see how it works for a while and upgrade if necessary.<br /><br />I will run it off of one battery for testing, and then plan on setting up a second battery as a perminent solution if feel this solves my problem. One of the posts mentions an "isolator" between the two batteries. I assume that there is a way to tie the two batteries together so that the 4 stroke will charge the electric when it is running, but the electric will not drain the 4 stroke battery. Any ideas on how to accomplish this?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Jim
 
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