Puzzled honda owner

[rl29]

I bought this honda 130 new back in July and got 75 hrs. on it. But am real puzzled with the dealer I got it from. I did my brake in like it called for and I personnally changed the oil and filter after ten hours like it called for. Also called the dealer and asked him about getting the valves adjusted or checked and he told me that they don't really check them because of all the ones they sold and checked they never had to adjust anything. So basically I kind of blown that off. But know this week I took it in to have them winterize it. Well today I picked it up and got a $87. bill and a sheet of what they did.<br />The sheet says they changed the motor oil and filter. Greased it and also steering cable. Put stabilizer in gas and ran thru motor. Checked lower unit and it looked fine and just topped it off. Know I didn't say to much. Just paid the bill and left. But usually with winterizing don't they usually drain the lower unit and put in fresh lube? I mean wouldn't there be shavings from it getting broke in? I mean I paid almost a hundred bucks and I feel it was just for a oil change. Like I said I don't like to say to much but am I right or wrong on filling like this isn't right. Wouldn't you all think that they should change the lower unit or is that somrthing that doesn't need to be changed each year? I guess for years I always winterized my two stroke and did the lower unit. But thought being it was new I'd take it back to the dealer and have them do it. Maybe I shouldn't . Back to the lower unit question. Should I change the lower unit lube or let it go for another year? Also where can a guy get a manual for a 2003 BF130 honda. Also one last question should them valves be checked and is it something I can do because I'm starting to get to the point that I'm not sure I can trust anybody. Thanks!<br /><br /> Really Confused<br /><br />

 

[Skinnywater]

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Last Cast, here in the technical section I'll always comment on things that I can verify and know as fact.<br /> I'll always give way to the good and experinced marine techs on this board, since my considerable mechanical training is more land based.<br /><br />Serious attention should be given to valve clearance in the following circumstances.<br /><br />1. New and freshly cut valve seats with new or resurfaced valve faces are worn in, as with any moving part. <br /><br />Without a doubt, if you were to do just one valve adjustment on a motor in it's entire lifetime. I'd choose to do an absolute perfect adjustment at the 20 hour break-in service. This will be the adjustment that will be needed the most, under normal operation.<br />The second most needed adjustment would be your second one. Here will be a fine adjustment. After this point the valves settle down and maintain their adjustment, usually for an extended period of time. <br /><br />2. The exaust valve is the hottest operating part of your entire engine. It cools by having a secure and positive contact with the valve seat.<br /><br />After an unfortunate episode of overheating. And no damage resulted. A valve adjustment would be called for. If an exaust valve is tight (little or no clearance), this may indicate that the valve is or has burned. <br />Rust or corrosion and carbon buildup on the valve seat inhibits positive contact with the valve and promotes burning. Carbon, rust and corrosion displaces valve clearance here. Valve adjustment is a good idea once the seat has been blown off of that debris after a good hard run.<br /><br />3. Temperature changes, such as normal running, cold starting and very low operating conditions effect clearance.<br />This is proven to me almost daily since winter has started in the Sierra's and Cascades.<br />Intake valves that are adjusted cold on a 80f. day at .004, will have zero clearance at 20f. <br />The Mercedes Benz OM617 turbodeisel's that I'm experieced with, have a cold and a hot weather valve adjustment setting. <br /><br />4. General engine wear. Valve adjustment on all engines is about proper clearance. While I mentioned a relaxed period of changes in valve clearence on broken-in healthy engine. There comes a point where gradual valve train wear starts the ball rolling for more clearance changes. These clearence changes are kept in check with regular adjustments.<br /><br />Your motor surely fits the first criteria. But most important, the engineers that designed, manufactured and sold you that fine piece of machinery says it sould be done as part of routine maintenence. <br />I'll agree with them only because I know they're correct. <br /><br />My owners manuel says gearcase oil change at 20 hours, at 200 hours or yearly.<br /><br />I think that valve adjustment has a great deal to do with the quality of hot and cold starts on our Honda's. More then the fact that they may have carburetors or not.<br /><br />Last Cast, do it yourself or pay to watch it done. <br />Seventy five hours without a twenty hour valve adjustment? Oh yeah! <br />Do a real good one, take your time so you'll feel the difference next spring.<br /><br />After you get that manuel, I'll give you my email and walk you through the adjustment, if you feel comfortable enough.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Puzzled honda owner

hello<br /> we also fog the engines. its very simple on that 130 efi. dont even have to remove the airbox. also clean and spray the power head with fluid film. the valve adjustment needs to be done. most times wont require any action but once in a while it will. like skinnywater says. if you neglect it it can get seriously expensive. get that manual and do it yourself. go ahead and change that gear oil as well. should be done yearly I reccoment at least every 100 hours. it should look just as clean coming out as going in.<br /> good luck and keep posting

 

[rl29]

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Skinnywater and Rodbolt: Thanks for your reply. And also greatful for this forum. I put the boat away this last weekend for the winter but will get a manual and drain that lower unit and check them valves before it goes back in the water next spring. I think at this point I'd just want to learn and do it myself. That way I know that it's getting done. I guess a guy pays this kind of money for a motor he sure would like to keep running as good as he possible can. And it is a nice running motor and I'm glad I purchased it over the other brands. But I do got one last question for you two. Do I need to go through the dealer for a manual or can I get one somewhere else? It doesn't look like anybody carries a manual for the 2003 yet. Also I guess one other thing, will it void the warranty if I do any kind of maintenance to this motor.

 

[Skinnywater]

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If and only if, you checked with Iboats first for their manuel.<br /><br />The Honda Marine manuel, gotten through a dealer, is a great one. <br />Mine has everything I could want to know. It costs about $35. It had holes for a binder that I had to supply. In the same binder I keep copys of my parts reciepts from Honda. And I keep a log, date, engine hours, work done. This satisfies warranty. <br /><br />If you lived closer, I'd show you how to adjust the valves myself.

 

[rl29]

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Skinnywater I wished I was closer too. The weather has got to be better there, then what we're heading into here. Hasn't been to bad the last couple of days but sounds like it'll be heading down hill starting this weekend. (Snow ) I hate that four letter word. But anyways I'll get that manual and read up on it over the winter and as soon as the Robins are back we'll pull the boat out and get them valves checked and that lower unit drained and fresh put back in. If I have any questions I'll get in touch with you. I still think this is a great forum. Thanks for everything and you have a good thanksgiving.

 

[maillon]

Re: Puzzled honda owner

rodbolt,<br /><br />How did you fog the engine without removing the airbox?

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Puzzled honda owner

wow<br /> now they want my secrets<br /> ok I will tell you only if you promise to tell no one else. on the EFI 4 cylinder honda on the stbd side is a fuel pressure regulator. the purpose of the intake vaccume attachment on the regulator is to allow the pressure to build if intake vacume drops suddenly due to rapidly opened throttle plates. so if you dissconect it at idle and spray the fogging oil though it it will work. most of the systems that use an IAC motor cannot be fogged through the throttle plates. the yam v6 is one. but I have another trick for those motors as well.<br /> good luck and keep posting

 

[honda cat]

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acording to honda factory training they do not recomend any foging oils be used on thier motors it can damage sensors in the intake track and plug air bleeds in their cerburators There is no substitute for factory service manuals .. <br />always follow the factory service intervels ite all in the book dont trust some one that disputes what the manual says .

 

[maillon]

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Honda Cat,<br /><br />Thanks for the info about not fogging the motors. My boat is rather difficult to get to and I was dreading taking a whole day just to fog the motor. <br /><br />Anyone else have a different opinion?<br /><br />Would anyone recommend simply removing the plugs and spraying in some fogging oil?

 

[CG Mach Tech]

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One Last Cast,<br /><br />At our station we run twin 225's on a 25' SAFE Boat and put on average 1700 hrs a year on them.I have checked the valves and each time they didn't need adjusted. My advise is to do the maintenance as the tech pub states(To keep the warranty valid). Even if no adjustment is needed you still are giving the outboard a good look over. It is a little time consuming but a competent mechanic can do it. Just take your time and read.<br /><br />CG Mach Tech

 

[Skinnywater]

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Welcome aboard CG Mach Tech.<br />You'd have quite a captive audience if you wouldn't mind sharing your experiences with those Hondas?<br />A new topic on any troubles, issues or an overview? <br /><br />I'm looking forward to your inputs here and again welcome.